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Post by eastdurhamhopper on May 14, 2024 8:02:01 GMT
I've wanted to refrain from posting this, as I have family who've coached with the youth team at Marske and have always found the club a nice visit. I don't have any ill-will towards Marske, I'm just saying what I've seen, what I perceive and what I've read. I think a big issue people have with Marske is how they viewed the NL in their final few seasons, their seemed to be an air of arrogance, a feeling of "we're bigger than this", their fans quickly got a reputation as not the most pleasant bunch in the world. They were more than happy to mock Stockton when they were in the NL, and basically thought they were entitled to the admittedly very good players they had, who let's be frank, in a REAL PPG regulated pyramid, would not be playing at a club like Marske. But rather than face the end of this season in shambles, like Gateshead have, like Brandon have, like Sunderland RCA have, like Durham City have numerous times, like Billingham Town have, like Hartlepool have numerous times, they decided the league they once felt entitled to was suddenly too hard for them, and they'd rather retreat back to the very league they once called tinpot and weak. To play teams a few years ago they'd roll eyes at in pre-season friendlies. And unlike teams like Brandon and Sunderland RCA, who essentially had a skeleton staff committee and a none-existent fanbase, Marske didn't have those issues. Marske just spent money they didn't have year on year without seemingly caring about the repercussions. I don't dislike or hate Marske, I actually admired their ambition in leaving the NL when they did. They played attractive football, they essentially represented Redcar at National League System level for years as Redcar didn't seem to have any ambitious teams for a lot of years (opposite of now). It's just like many people on here, I don't really agree with downing tools midseason while a few days later saying "Ah well at least we can be in div 1 next season like the good old days". Was an explanation ever given why they couldn't continue the season? They had a youth team, they had a ground, they had a fanbase? From an outsiders view, it's as I said, downing tools. Also, that Woodhouse bloke was an absolute whopper. (But I think most Marske fans agree with me there). Couldn't of said it any better. Bang on
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Post by parsjake on May 14, 2024 22:22:43 GMT
If Marske end up in Division 1 next season then someone needs hanging. Absolute dung show laughing stock. You don't actually think that, do you?
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Post by parsjake on May 14, 2024 22:28:26 GMT
If they are jumping into bed with Redcar Newmarket don’t they have to start in the lower clubs position?. Or is that rule not there now? Given Newmarket have just won the North Riding Premier Division their starting point would be Northern League Division 2. Judging by some of the posts on here, this would be enough to induce fatalities.
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Post by bigcbeat1 on May 15, 2024 5:31:15 GMT
I've wanted to refrain from posting this, as I have family who've coached with the youth team at Marske and have always found the club a nice visit. I don't have any ill-will towards Marske, I'm just saying what I've seen, what I perceive and what I've read. I think a big issue people have with Marske is how they viewed the NL in their final few seasons, their seemed to be an air of arrogance, a feeling of "we're bigger than this", their fans quickly got a reputation as not the most pleasant bunch in the world. They were more than happy to mock Stockton when they were in the NL, and basically thought they were entitled to the admittedly very good players they had, who let's be frank, in a REAL PPG regulated pyramid, would not be playing at a club like Marske. But rather than face the end of this season in shambles, like Gateshead have, like Brandon have, like Sunderland RCA have, like Durham City have numerous times, like Billingham Town have, like Hartlepool have numerous times, they decided the league they once felt entitled to was suddenly too hard for them, and they'd rather retreat back to the very league they once called tinpot and weak. To play teams a few years ago they'd roll eyes at in pre-season friendlies. And unlike teams like Brandon and Sunderland RCA, who essentially had a skeleton staff committee and a none-existent fanbase, Marske didn't have those issues. Marske just spent money they didn't have year on year without seemingly caring about the repercussions. I don't dislike or hate Marske, I actually admired their ambition in leaving the NL when they did. They played attractive football, they essentially represented Redcar at National League System level for years as Redcar didn't seem to have any ambitious teams for a lot of years (opposite of now). It's just like many people on here, I don't really agree with downing tools midseason while a few days later saying "Ah well at least we can be in div 1 next season like the good old days". Was an explanation ever given why they couldn't continue the season? They had a youth team, they had a ground, they had a fanbase? From an outsiders view, it's as I said, downing tools. Also, that Woodhouse bloke was an absolute whopper. (But I think most Marske fans agree with me there). Couldn't of said it any better. Bang on I think a lot of what you say is spot on. As Windy said earlier it’s within the rules so rightly or wrongly they will probably end up in Division 1 or at worst Div 2. 3 clubs have shown their metal this year to keep going during a very difficult season . Brandon survived against all the odd and didn’t throw the towel in , RCA refused to cave in, eventually relegated yes, but they have a chance to rebuild. Tow Law survived the relegation battle and I’m sure they will come back stronger for it . The crazy money being paid out by some clubs is a big problem for smaller clubs who give it their all but within their means and not putting the club at risk. This can often end up with good players moving on when the big money carrot is dangled. I understand it when young players move up the pyramid , that has to be encouraged as they want to improve but some of the money being thrown about in the Northern league imo is crazy. I’m waiting for the normal pelters from those who disagree but that’s my take on it.
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Post by lovingnonleague on May 15, 2024 7:18:52 GMT
If Marske end up in Division 1 next season then someone needs hanging. Absolute dung show laughing stock. You don't actually think that, do you? I do mate. Amongst many other folk.
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Post by windy1970 on May 15, 2024 7:44:05 GMT
You don't actually think that, do you? I do mate. Amongst many other folk. So which of James Earl, Matt Edkins or Laurence Jones at the FA do you want hanging? Or do you blame the leagues that vote every year for the rules and regs and also vote who represents them on the leagues committee. I genuinely want to know who you thinks to blame and why?
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Post by lovingnonleague on May 15, 2024 9:08:53 GMT
I do mate. Amongst many other folk. So which of James Earl, Matt Edkins or Laurence Jones at the FA do you want hanging? Or do you blame the leagues that vote every year for the rules and regs and also vote who represents them on the leagues committee. I genuinely want to know who you thinks to blame and why? The people who ran the club into the ground. The folk who blatantly lied to the faithful fans. Or do you condone folk that tell lies. Sounds like you do to me windy. I don't agree with them returning to NL1 I am allowed that opinion aren't I or is it windys way or the highway.
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Post by windy1970 on May 15, 2024 10:34:19 GMT
So which of James Earl, Matt Edkins or Laurence Jones at the FA do you want hanging? Or do you blame the leagues that vote every year for the rules and regs and also vote who represents them on the leagues committee. I genuinely want to know who you thinks to blame and why? The people who ran the club into the ground. The folk who blatantly lied to the faithful fans. Or do you condone folk that tell lies. Sounds like you do to me windy. I don't agree with them returning to NL1 I am allowed that opinion aren't I or is it windys way or the highway. You are allowed whatever opinions you like. It won’t change the rules and regs though will it? Marske aren’t going to determine where they’re placed in the pyramid and neither will the Northern League. I don’t condone any mismanagement of any club’s, whether that’s spending shed loads on players to win everything going. Or whether it’s more sinister owners who are eyeing up the land owned by the club’s etc. Personally I feel sorry for Stockton Town who lost the NPL1E playoff final in 2021/22. Plus Shildon who came 3rd behind Marske & Morpeth in the NL1 in 2017/18 and could’ve stabilised at step 4 and most likely still be at that level. I also feel sorry for Thornaby who came 3rd when North Shields blew the bank to win the NL1 2021/22. Consett would’ve won the league and gained automatic promotion and Thornaby would’ve faced an inter step playoff. That’s why I stick my neck out on this forum over many years, that I agree with automatic promotion but want clubs to be sustainable and my views on sustainability are well documented on here. But I’ll also stick my neck out on what’s right within the rules and regs. My own personal opinions about Marske are irrelevant and so are yours and everyone else’s on here.
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Post by malvern2 on May 15, 2024 10:56:13 GMT
100%
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Post by england on May 15, 2024 11:30:47 GMT
The people who ran the club into the ground. The folk who blatantly lied to the faithful fans. Or do you condone folk that tell lies. Sounds like you do to me windy. I don't agree with them returning to NL1 I am allowed that opinion aren't I or is it windys way or the highway. You are allowed whatever opinions you like. It won’t change the rules and regs though will it? Marske aren’t going to determine where they’re placed in the pyramid and neither will the Northern League. I don’t condone any mismanagement of any club’s, whether that’s spending shed loads on players to win everything going. Or whether it’s more sinister owners who are eyeing up the land owned by the club’s etc. Personally I feel sorry for Stockton Town who lost the NPL1E playoff final in 2021/22. Plus Shildon who came 3rd behind Marske & Morpeth in the NL1 in 2017/18 and could’ve stabilised at step 4 and most likely still be at that level. I also feel sorry for Thornaby who came 3rd when North Shields blew the bank to win the NL1 2021/22. Consett would’ve won the league and gained automatic promotion and Thornaby would’ve faced an inter step playoff. That’s why I stick my neck out on this forum over many years, that I agree with automatic promotion but want clubs to be sustainable and my views on sustainability are well documented on here. But I’ll also stick my neck out on what’s right within the rules and regs. My own personal opinions about Marske are irrelevant and so are yours and everyone else’s on here. Not sure how personal opinions are irrelevant on a football forum! I thought that was the whole point. As stated before I’d guess many people are challenging and disagreeing with the rules. I mean what is the definition of sustainability? Would dunston be able to sustain where they are without the financial support of UTS.
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Post by windy1970 on May 15, 2024 11:58:40 GMT
You are allowed whatever opinions you like. It won’t change the rules and regs though will it? Marske aren’t going to determine where they’re placed in the pyramid and neither will the Northern League. I don’t condone any mismanagement of any club’s, whether that’s spending shed loads on players to win everything going. Or whether it’s more sinister owners who are eyeing up the land owned by the club’s etc. Personally I feel sorry for Stockton Town who lost the NPL1E playoff final in 2021/22. Plus Shildon who came 3rd behind Marske & Morpeth in the NL1 in 2017/18 and could’ve stabilised at step 4 and most likely still be at that level. I also feel sorry for Thornaby who came 3rd when North Shields blew the bank to win the NL1 2021/22. Consett would’ve won the league and gained automatic promotion and Thornaby would’ve faced an inter step playoff. That’s why I stick my neck out on this forum over many years, that I agree with automatic promotion but want clubs to be sustainable and my views on sustainability are well documented on here. But I’ll also stick my neck out on what’s right within the rules and regs. My own personal opinions about Marske are irrelevant and so are yours and everyone else’s on here. Not sure how personal opinions are irrelevant on a football forum! I thought that was the whole point. As stated before I’d guess many people are challenging and disagreeing with the rules. I mean what is the definition of sustainability? Would dunston be able to sustain where they are without the financial support of UTS. I personally don’t agree with some of the rules and regs and also how the FALC have messed up the restructure. Look at the mess the FALC have done in the Northwest(NPL1W & NWCL). Or what happened with the merger(that didn’t happen) between the Western League & the SWPL. I don’t agree with reprieves under any circumstances. I would always promote extra clubs from divisions below in every circumstances. I don’t like it when a single wealthy guy is the soul owner of a club and that club lives and dies on how his personal circumstances fluctuates. I personally would have moved all the Cumbrian clubs out of the Northern League. I’d have pushed the Cumberland & Westmorland FA’s to create a singular feeder league. We can discuss to death what’s the rights or wrongs as to the placement of Marske. Cocky fans, arrogant owners and management are all probably true. But that’s irrelevant on where they’re going to be placed. I asked who he wants hanging if they’re placed at step 5! Because it won’t be anything to do with Marske where they’re placed. Do I think Darlington/Newmarket should’ve have moved in straight away and played out the season and then asked to be demoted to step 5 or 6. Then yes, I think they should’ve done that and I don’t understand why they they didn’t. Did I think that the Marske project was sustainable and they jumped out in my mind as a step 3 club(when they were a NL1 club), then no I didn’t. I think when the FA initially created the NPL1E, that they should’ve promoted 9 NL1 clubs instead of 3 and 3 from both the NCEL & NWCL(who’d both promoted loads over the previous years). Then yes and the NPL1E southern boundary of that league would be somewhere in Yorkshire.
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Post by parsjake on May 15, 2024 13:49:08 GMT
So which of James Earl, Matt Edkins or Laurence Jones at the FA do you want hanging? Or do you blame the leagues that vote every year for the rules and regs and also vote who represents them on the leagues committee. I genuinely want to know who you thinks to blame and why? The people who ran the club into the ground. The folk who blatantly lied to the faithful fans. Or do you condone folk that tell lies. Sounds like you do to me windy. I don't agree with them returning to NL1 I am allowed that opinion aren't I or is it windys way or the highway. Can't really argue with that, tbh. Although it does come across as taking it out on the people who have been left to clear up the mess. Things are going to be done much more transparently from now on so I don't know what more can be done. I don't know if I've set the link up below correctly*, but there's a short film up on YouTube for anyone interested called "Marske United - The Rebuild" which gives an indication of the mess that needed sorting out. I'm happy to say that it has been and all that's left now is which league we're to be placed in, which brings us full circle. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOGMy9fcO28* Oh, I have.
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Post by windy1970 on May 15, 2024 14:43:16 GMT
The people who ran the club into the ground. The folk who blatantly lied to the faithful fans. Or do you condone folk that tell lies. Sounds like you do to me windy. I don't agree with them returning to NL1 I am allowed that opinion aren't I or is it windys way or the highway. Can't really argue with that, tbh. Although it does come across as taking it out on the people who have been left to clear up the mess. Things are going to be done much more transparently from now on so I don't know what more can be done. I don't know if I've set the link up below correctly*, but there's a short film up on YouTube for anyone interested called "Marske United - The Rebuild" which gives an indication of the mess that needed sorting out. I'm happy to say that it has been and all that's left now is which league we're to be placed in, which brings us full circle. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOGMy9fcO28* Oh, I have. There isn’t anything about the Darlington/Newmarket takeover in the video
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Post by lovingnonleague on May 15, 2024 14:50:12 GMT
The people who ran the club into the ground. The folk who blatantly lied to the faithful fans. Or do you condone folk that tell lies. Sounds like you do to me windy. I don't agree with them returning to NL1 I am allowed that opinion aren't I or is it windys way or the highway. Can't really argue with that, tbh. Although it does come across as taking it out on the people who have been left to clear up the mess. Things are going to be done much more transparently from now on so I don't know what more can be done. I don't know if I've set the link up below correctly*, but there's a short film up on YouTube for anyone interested called "Marske United - The Rebuild" which gives an indication of the mess that needed sorting out. I'm happy to say that it has been and all that's left now is which league we're to be placed in, which brings us full circle. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOGMy9fcO28* Oh, I have. Defo not taking it out on the people that are currently running the club. It's the club that should be punished. If a secretary makes a balls up of a team sheet who gets punished ?? Not the secretary not that individual it's the club the club bear the brunt. These new folk who've took over surely know there must be repercussions.
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Post by lovingnonleague on May 15, 2024 14:54:38 GMT
You are allowed whatever opinions you like. It won’t change the rules and regs though will it? Marske aren’t going to determine where they’re placed in the pyramid and neither will the Northern League. I don’t condone any mismanagement of any club’s, whether that’s spending shed loads on players to win everything going. Or whether it’s more sinister owners who are eyeing up the land owned by the club’s etc. Personally I feel sorry for Stockton Town who lost the NPL1E playoff final in 2021/22. Plus Shildon who came 3rd behind Marske & Morpeth in the NL1 in 2017/18 and could’ve stabilised at step 4 and most likely still be at that level. I also feel sorry for Thornaby who came 3rd when North Shields blew the bank to win the NL1 2021/22. Consett would’ve won the league and gained automatic promotion and Thornaby would’ve faced an inter step playoff. That’s why I stick my neck out on this forum over many years, that I agree with automatic promotion but want clubs to be sustainable and my views on sustainability are well documented on here. But I’ll also stick my neck out on what’s right within the rules and regs. My own personal opinions about Marske are irrelevant and so are yours and everyone else’s on here. Not sure how personal opinions are irrelevant on a football forum! I thought that was the whole point. As stated before I’d guess many people are challenging and disagreeing with the rules. I mean what is the definition of sustainability? Would dunston be able to sustain where they are without the financial support of UTS. I thought you'd be allowed an opinion on a forum. To say it's irrelevant is a bit harsh. I get what your saying like windy but if my opinion was irrelevant then why do you keep replying to it. Just saying like.
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