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Post by pooliehopper on May 13, 2024 17:43:42 GMT
To be fair, this isn't new. I remember Chester FC embarking on a whingefest of epic proportions over a decade ago about potentially getting put into the NWCL. The FA, ever consistent at giving the same treatment to everyone (HAH), completely buckled and put them in the NPL-West.
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Post by lovingnonleague on May 13, 2024 18:17:01 GMT
If another team is relegated from division 2 to accommodate Marske then I would expect appeals from Washington and West end. Just can’t understand how a team who resigned not even 6months ago can be placed at step 5or6. If they are jumping into bed with Redcar Newmarket don’t they have to start in the lower clubs position?. Or is that rule not there now? No club will be relegated from any league across step 5 or 6 to accommodate Marske or potentially Nuneaton or any of the other clubs who resigned through the season. They’re entitled to reapply within the rules to rejoin 2 steps below if there’s space and if there’s no space step 6.Those are the FA rules, so those who want them binned down to the Crook & District league or whatever the lowest rung of the ladder, hopefully their club doesn’t hit the hard times at some point and expect their club to be treated fairly! What do people want? Crucifixion of everyone involved with Marske ffs Not quite that but not to far off. If a club decides to bullshit its way through the season and tell porkies to its own fans then they deserve a hiding. Marske weren't transparent when things first came to light it wasn't until people pleaded with the club to start telling the truth then most of the truth finally came out. Got your knickers in a bit of a twist there old windy boy. You obviously don't mind a club that pays hideous amounts of money out when they know they can't afford it and a club that bullshits people. Each to there own.
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Post by windy1970 on May 13, 2024 18:37:15 GMT
No club will be relegated from any league across step 5 or 6 to accommodate Marske or potentially Nuneaton or any of the other clubs who resigned through the season. They’re entitled to reapply within the rules to rejoin 2 steps below if there’s space and if there’s no space step 6.Those are the FA rules, so those who want them binned down to the Crook & District league or whatever the lowest rung of the ladder, hopefully their club doesn’t hit the hard times at some point and expect their club to be treated fairly! What do people want? Crucifixion of everyone involved with Marske ffs Not quite that but not to far off. If a club decides to bullshit its way through the season and tell porkies to its own fans then they deserve a hiding. Marske weren't transparent when things first came to light it wasn't until people pleaded with the club to start telling the truth then most of the truth finally came out. Got your knickers in a bit of a twist there old windy boy. You obviously don't mind a club that pays hideous amounts of money out when they know they can't afford it and a club that bullshits people. Each to there own. Whether they’ve blown the bank trying to win everything in sight, (which isn’t unusual) but it doesn’t change what the FA rules and regulations allow. They will be treated exactly the same as any other club who’ve resigned halfway through a season. I’m sure you agree that they shouldn’t be treated any better or worse than any other club in the same situation? If that means they’re placed at step 6 & no other club is laterally moved or relegated to accommodate them, then surely fair fc*ks? I personally couldn’t care what happens to them, or whether they play another game ever. But I agree that they should be treated within the rules and that’s what I’ll stick my colours down on the ground for.
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Post by bigcbeat1 on May 13, 2024 18:49:02 GMT
If another team is relegated from division 2 to accommodate Marske then I would expect appeals from Washington and West end. Just can’t understand how a team who resigned not even 6months ago can be placed at step 5or6. If they are jumping into bed with Redcar Newmarket don’t they have to start in the lower clubs position?. Or is that rule not there now? No club will be relegated from any league across step 5 or 6 to accommodate Marske or potentially Nuneaton or any of the other clubs who resigned through the season. They’re entitled to reapply within the rules to rejoin 2 steps below if there’s space and if there’s no space step 6.Those are the FA rules, so those who want them binned down to the Crook & District league or whatever the lowest rung of the ladder, hopefully their club doesn’t hit the hard times at some point and expect their club to be treated fairly! What do people want? Crucifixion of everyone involved with Marske ffs I don’t want Marske crucified . I was merely asking the question if you don’t like what I’m asking and accuse me of that then you are well wide of the mark. My main point in the question was if 2 teams merge which has been suggested in here with Marske and Redcar Newmarket then has that rule of playing at the lower of the 2 clubs level. FFS
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Post by windy1970 on May 13, 2024 19:06:11 GMT
No club will be relegated from any league across step 5 or 6 to accommodate Marske or potentially Nuneaton or any of the other clubs who resigned through the season. They’re entitled to reapply within the rules to rejoin 2 steps below if there’s space and if there’s no space step 6.Those are the FA rules, so those who want them binned down to the Crook & District league or whatever the lowest rung of the ladder, hopefully their club doesn’t hit the hard times at some point and expect their club to be treated fairly! What do people want? Crucifixion of everyone involved with Marske ffs I don’t want Marske crucified . I was merely asking the question if you don’t like what I’m asking and accuse me of that then you are well wide of the mark. My main point in the question was if 2 teams merge which has been suggested in here with Marske and Redcar Newmarket then has that rule of playing at the lower of the 2 clubs level. FFS You aren’t the only person that’s mentioned on here something about them. Some have mentioned that Marske should be binned down to the lowest level of Saturday league football. I think this is people allowing their personal opinions or agendas to determine where they should be placed. I am just pointing out that they will be placed at whatever level the FALC allows within the regulations. The 2 merging club’s rule has never been enacted ever. Where the merged club should play at the level of the lower 2 club’s. What happens every single time is the merged club ends up at the higher level club. But I maybe wrong, this isn’t a merger as far as I’m aware. Haven’t those involved with Darlington/Newmarket basically cuckoo’d in and taken over the corpse of the dead club(or would’ve died). They’ve just got themselves a free promotion, but done it within the rules.
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Post by england on May 13, 2024 19:18:11 GMT
It’s more the rules that I disagree with.
How a team can just decide that things are too tough, so they can pack in and continue two divisions below, just feels wrong.
The whole point of the pyramid is that your position should be decided by your on field performances. No money and a poor team and you get relegated.
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Post by bigcbeat1 on May 13, 2024 19:55:59 GMT
I don’t want Marske crucified . I was merely asking the question if you don’t like what I’m asking and accuse me of that then you are well wide of the mark. My main point in the question was if 2 teams merge which has been suggested in here with Marske and Redcar Newmarket then has that rule of playing at the lower of the 2 clubs level. FFS You aren’t the only person that’s mentioned on here something about them. Some have mentioned that Marske should be binned down to the lowest level of Saturday league football. I think this is people allowing their personal opinions or agendas to determine where they should be placed. I am just pointing out that they will be placed at whatever level the FALC allows within the regulations. The 2 merging club’s rule has never been enacted ever. Where the merged club should play at the level of the lower 2 club’s. What happens every single time is the merged club ends up at the higher level club. But I maybe wrong, this isn’t a merger as far as I’m aware. Haven’t those involved with Darlington/Newmarket basically cuckoo’d in and taken over the corpse of the dead club(or would’ve died). They’ve just got themselves a free promotion, but done it within the rules. Maybe it’s a rule that hasn’t been actioned like you say . Was just a question that was all.
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Post by windy1970 on May 13, 2024 19:57:12 GMT
It’s more the rules that I disagree with. How a team can just decide that things are too tough, so they can pack in and continue two divisions below, just feels wrong. The whole point of the pyramid is that your position should be decided by your on field performances. No money and a poor team and you get relegated. Most of the time it’s not the club’s fault and definitely not the fans fault either. It’s the owners fault & they should be the ones that are dealt harshly with. 10 year ban from running another club, wife or kids aren’t allowed to be placed as directors if a club director breaks some rules or pay 1p in the £ on some pointless debt management scheme. The owners & directors thing, should be tightened. Look at what happened at Gateshead, if they’d resigned the other year would everyone want them playing in the bottom division of the Northumberland Comb?
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Post by england on May 13, 2024 20:06:25 GMT
It’s more the rules that I disagree with. How a team can just decide that things are too tough, so they can pack in and continue two divisions below, just feels wrong. The whole point of the pyramid is that your position should be decided by your on field performances. No money and a poor team and you get relegated. Most of the time it’s not the club’s fault and definitely not the fans fault either. It’s the owners fault & they should be the ones that are dealt harshly with. 10 year ban from running another club, wife or kids aren’t allowed to be placed as directors if a club director breaks some rules or pay 1p in the £ on some pointless debt management scheme. The owners & directors thing, should be tightened. Look at what happened at Gateshead, if they’d resigned the other year would everyone want them playing in the bottom division of the Northumberland Comb? I understand that, but the owners are the club. Clubs aren’t (generally), ran by fans so someone has to be punished. As much as you say it’s not the “clubs” fault, one thing it certainly isn’t is “other clubs” fault
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Post by windy1970 on May 13, 2024 21:15:43 GMT
Most of the time it’s not the club’s fault and definitely not the fans fault either. It’s the owners fault & they should be the ones that are dealt harshly with. 10 year ban from running another club, wife or kids aren’t allowed to be placed as directors if a club director breaks some rules or pay 1p in the £ on some pointless debt management scheme. The owners & directors thing, should be tightened. Look at what happened at Gateshead, if they’d resigned the other year would everyone want them playing in the bottom division of the Northumberland Comb? I understand that, but the owners are the club. Clubs aren’t (generally), ran by fans so someone has to be punished. As much as you say it’s not the “clubs” fault, one thing it certainly isn’t is “other clubs” fault That’s why I would rather see dodgy owners hammered, than the club’s they’ve got involved with. If the owners and directors rules were tightened and the personal fines levied at them. Then surely dodgy owners would look elsewhere and we wouldn’t have a litany of once great non league and league clubs, consigned to the history books.
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Post by sikirk on May 13, 2024 21:26:31 GMT
It’s more the rules that I disagree with. How a team can just decide that things are too tough, so they can pack in and continue two divisions below, just feels wrong. The whole point of the pyramid is that your position should be decided by your on field performances. No money and a poor team and you get relegated. Most of the time it’s not the club’s fault and definitely not the fans fault either. It’s the owners fault & they should be the ones that are dealt harshly with. 10 year ban from running another club, wife or kids aren’t allowed to be placed as directors if a club director breaks some rules or pay 1p in the £ on some pointless debt management scheme. The owners & directors thing, should be tightened. Look at what happened at Gateshead, if they’d resigned the other year would everyone want them playing in the bottom division of the Northumberland Comb? Despite all the crap going on gateshead completed the 2018-2019 season and never called any games off at all when the crap occured. Darlington even completed there final national league season. I can see why folk think markse should not be placed at step 5, which is a level phoenix national league clubs are placed at, alot who actually have completed the previous season
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Post by sikirk on May 13, 2024 21:38:32 GMT
To be fair, this isn't new. I remember Chester FC embarking on a whingefest of epic proportions over a decade ago about potentially getting put into the NWCL. The FA, ever consistent at giving the same treatment to everyone (HAH), completely buckled and put them in the NPL-West. Seem to think after Chester and halifax etc were placed at step 4 rules seemed to change with phoenix clubs going no higher than step 5
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Post by pooliehopper on May 13, 2024 21:59:59 GMT
I've wanted to refrain from posting this, as I have family who've coached with the youth team at Marske and have always found the club a nice visit. I don't have any ill-will towards Marske, I'm just saying what I've seen, what I perceive and what I've read.
I think a big issue people have with Marske is how they viewed the NL in their final few seasons, their seemed to be an air of arrogance, a feeling of "we're bigger than this", their fans quickly got a reputation as not the most pleasant bunch in the world. They were more than happy to mock Stockton when they were in the NL, and basically thought they were entitled to the admittedly very good players they had, who let's be frank, in a REAL PPG regulated pyramid, would not be playing at a club like Marske.
But rather than face the end of this season in shambles, like Gateshead have, like Brandon have, like Sunderland RCA have, like Durham City have numerous times, like Billingham Town have, like Hartlepool have numerous times, they decided the league they once felt entitled to was suddenly too hard for them, and they'd rather retreat back to the very league they once called tinpot and weak. To play teams a few years ago they'd roll eyes at in pre-season friendlies.
And unlike teams like Brandon and Sunderland RCA, who essentially had a skeleton staff committee and a none-existent fanbase, Marske didn't have those issues. Marske just spent money they didn't have year on year without seemingly caring about the repercussions.
I don't dislike or hate Marske, I actually admired their ambition in leaving the NL when they did. They played attractive football, they essentially represented Redcar at National League System level for years as Redcar didn't seem to have any ambitious teams for a lot of years (opposite of now). It's just like many people on here, I don't really agree with downing tools midseason while a few days later saying "Ah well at least we can be in div 1 next season like the good old days".
Was an explanation ever given why they couldn't continue the season? They had a youth team, they had a ground, they had a fanbase? From an outsiders view, it's as I said, downing tools.
Also, that Woodhouse bloke was an absolute whopper. (But I think most Marske fans agree with me there).
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Post by sikirk on May 13, 2024 22:11:30 GMT
I've wanted to refrain from posting this, as I have family who've coached with the youth team at Marske and have always found the club a nice visit. I don't have any ill-will towards Marske, I'm just saying what I've seen, what I perceive and what I've read. I think a big issue people have with Marske is how they viewed the NL in their final few seasons, their seemed to be an air of arrogance, a feeling of "we're bigger than this", their fans quickly got a reputation as not the most pleasant bunch in the world. They were more than happy to mock Stockton when they were in the NL, and basically thought they were entitled to the admittedly very good players they had, who let's be frank, in a REAL PPG regulated pyramid, would not be playing at a club like Marske. But rather than face the end of this season in shambles, like Gateshead have, like Brandon have, like Sunderland RCA have, like Durham City have numerous times, like Billingham Town have, like Hartlepool have numerous times, they decided the league they once felt entitled to was suddenly too hard for them, and they'd rather retreat back to the very league they once called tinpot and weak. To play teams a few years ago they'd roll eyes at in pre-season friendlies. And unlike teams like Brandon and Sunderland RCA, who essentially had a skeleton staff committee and a none-existent fanbase, Marske didn't have those issues. Marske just spent money they didn't have year on year without seemingly caring about the repercussions. I don't dislike or hate Marske, I actually admired their ambition in leaving the NL when they did. They played attractive football, they essentially represented Redcar at National League System level for years as Redcar didn't seem to have any ambitious teams for a lot of years (opposite of now). It's just like many people on here, I don't really agree with downing tools midseason while a few days later saying "Ah well at least we can be in div 1 next season like the good old days". Was an explanation ever given why they couldn't continue the season? They had a youth team, they had a ground, they had a fanbase? From an outsiders view, it's as I said, downing tools. Also, that Woodhouse bloke was an absolute whopper. (But I think most Marske fans agree with me there). Good point, some teams can actually play the kids, go down and re-group the season after, whats worse that can happen, they go down again. Tow law are another club thats carried on, jesus even willington kept going all season. I would have more sympathy if marske has ground issues and bailed out but as far as im aware they never. Infact look at teams like washington who did have big ground issues but kept going. As for woodhouse i was shocked when he was appointed, a guy based in east Yorkshire managing a 7th tier club seemed odd
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Post by boroshaun on May 14, 2024 6:33:04 GMT
No, the meeting is on Thursday
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