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Post by sikirk on Jan 14, 2024 9:06:17 GMT
Why? What’s the reasoning? Because I don’t think a reformed club has the same identity. It may do in the eyes of those associated with the club. There are precedents set by the FA league committee for placing clubs that have resigned from higher up the pyramid, at the bottom of the pyramid the following season. The bottom of the pyramid is step 6. There’s a possibility that they may be placed at step 5 and this is to do with the possibility that the NL1 could have 19 clubs next season(2 promotions to the NPL1E, 1 relegation to NL2 and 2 promotions into the NL1 from NL2). Whilst the NL2 could potentially have 22 clubs again next season and that’s without Marske being placed into that division. Would rather see the league promote an additional club from division 1 to fill the gap
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Jan 14, 2024 11:07:22 GMT
Because I don’t think a reformed club has the same identity. It may do in the eyes of those associated with the club. There are precedents set by the FA league committee for placing clubs that have resigned from higher up the pyramid, at the bottom of the pyramid the following season. The bottom of the pyramid is step 6. There’s a possibility that they may be placed at step 5 and this is to do with the possibility that the NL1 could have 19 clubs next season(2 promotions to the NPL1E, 1 relegation to NL2 and 2 promotions into the NL1 from NL2). Whilst the NL2 could potentially have 22 clubs again next season and that’s without Marske being placed into that division. Would rather see the league promote an additional club from division 1 to fill the gap Is it not the case that 3 clubs are liable to be relegated? I know the bottom club at steps5/6 have to be relegated but if the leagues committee decide to relegate 2 from NL 2 to accommodate Marsk it’s a bit rough on the extra club relegated . Will they alter the only 1 club relegated from Step 5 to accommodate Marsk. Quite a few players moving on from Marsk already by the looks of it . Probably a lot more to follow.
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Post by windy1970 on Jan 14, 2024 13:52:06 GMT
Would rather see the league promote an additional club from division 1 to fill the gap Is it not the case that 3 clubs are liable to be relegated? I know the bottom club at steps5/6 have to be relegated but if the leagues committee decide to relegate 2 from NL 2 to accommodate Marsk it’s a bit rough on the extra club relegated . Will they alter the only 1 club relegated from Step 5 to accommodate Marsk. Quite a few players moving on from Marsk already by the looks of it . Probably a lot more to follow. The FA rules on relegation are as follows: The bottom 3 are liable for relegation and this means 51 clubs are liable for relegation from all 17 step 6 leagues. If there are any reprieves the 3rd bottom clubs are reprieved on a ppg basis and if all 17 are reprieved then they start reprieving the 2nd bottom clubs on the same basis. There’s only about 48 or 49 feeder leagues, so there’s 2 or 3 automatic reprieves. Then there’s always leagues that never have applicants and the York Minster League comes to mind and there are others. Also step 4 is increasing from 20 clubs per division up to 22, so that’s an extra 16 reprieves this season. Then there are gaps in the pyramid that create reprieves and also feeder leagues that don’t have successful applicants for promotion. I believe that the FA are potentially looking at zero relegations from step 6 divisions with less than 18 clubs and how this affects other divisions we’ll have to wait and see. But it might increase the number of clubs relegated on a ppg basis, that would normally be reprieved. Some clubs might resign or are demoted for failing the ground grading and this increases the number of reprieves. In my opinion the bottom clubs will all be relegated and possibly an handful of 2nd bottom clubs with the worst ppg basis across step 6. So I doubt the 2nd bottom club in the NL2 will be relegated as things stand and it’ll remain at 22 clubs.
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Post by windy1970 on Jan 14, 2024 13:52:54 GMT
Because I don’t think a reformed club has the same identity. It may do in the eyes of those associated with the club. There are precedents set by the FA league committee for placing clubs that have resigned from higher up the pyramid, at the bottom of the pyramid the following season. The bottom of the pyramid is step 6. There’s a possibility that they may be placed at step 5 and this is to do with the possibility that the NL1 could have 19 clubs next season(2 promotions to the NPL1E, 1 relegation to NL2 and 2 promotions into the NL1 from NL2). Whilst the NL2 could potentially have 22 clubs again next season and that’s without Marske being placed into that division. Would rather see the league promote an additional club from division 1 to fill the gap Won’t happen, the FALC will stick to the rules
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Jan 14, 2024 14:34:54 GMT
Would rather see the league promote an additional club from division 1 to fill the gap Won’t happen, the FALC will stick to the rules That will be a first
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Post by sikirk on Jan 14, 2024 22:23:51 GMT
Won’t happen, the FALC will stick to the rules That will be a first Sure would, they change there mind like the weather
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Post by lovingnonleague on Jan 16, 2024 10:00:43 GMT
Just had a read of the recent fans meeting agenda etc. Unbelievable read. It actually states we were paying out more than we were getting in. Who the hell puts a club in this position. Now they've done there dough they've chose to apply for the Northern league division 1. Anyone who grants this should be removed from post. Marske have pulled a fast one here they've spouted lies about this that and the other they've conned fans and other good people associated with the club now they've gone ah well let's just go back to the NL 1. The players taking the dosh must have known at the time this wouldn't end well. Send them back to the wearside league. There's club in NL 2 who cut there cloth accordingly that would love a chance in NL1. 100% not fair on the clubs that are ran properly. Beggars belief all this it really does.
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Post by malvern2 on Jan 16, 2024 10:05:11 GMT
Just had a read of the recent fans meeting agenda etc. Unbelievable read. It actually states we were paying out more than we were getting in. Who the hell puts a club in this position. Now they've done their dough they've chose to apply for the Northern league division 1. Anyone who grants this should be removed from post. Marske have pulled a fast one here they've spouted lies about this that and the other they've conned fans and other good people associated with the club now they've gone ah well let's just go back to the NL 1. The players taking the dosh must have known at the time this wouldn't end well. Send them back to the wearside league. There's club in NL 2 who cut their cloth accordingly that would love a chance in NL1. 100% not fair on the clubs that are ran properly. Beggars belief all this it really does. I too have read the statement. It’s a frightening read.
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Post by lovingnonleague on Jan 16, 2024 10:53:08 GMT
It is Malvern. Losing five grand a week after the first couple of weeks of that surely the alarm bells were ringing. Should have got rid of the leaches and took the hit on the field instead of off it at least they'd be kicking a ball on Saturday.
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Post by eastdurhamhopper on Jan 16, 2024 11:18:38 GMT
I still don't understand why teams would resign mid season. Surely you offload your higher earning players and continue to the end of the season. They had the begging bowls out looking for people to cover the wages till the end of the season then when they realised it wasn't happening have pulled the plug anyway, took relegation and kept the money. Its hard to have sympathy for clubs who put themselves in these positions. I do however feel for the fans.
The statement leaves a very nasty taste.
This is a club who have purely mismanaged their money and they shouldn't be allowed to be in NL 1 or 2 IMO
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Post by lovingnonleague on Jan 16, 2024 11:30:38 GMT
I still don't understand why teams would resign mid season. Surely you offload your higher earning players and continue to the end of the season. They had the begging bowls out looking for people to cover the wages till the end of the season then when they realised it wasn't happening have pulled the plug anyway, took relegation and kept the money. Its hard to have sympathy for clubs who put themselves in these positions. I do however feel for the fans. The statement leaves a very nasty taste. This is a club who have purely mismanaged their money and they shouldn't be allowed to be in NL 1 or 2 IMO Exactly that. That's why I've said previous that there's more to this than meets the eye.
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Post by windy1970 on Jan 16, 2024 12:25:49 GMT
Just had a read of the recent fans meeting agenda etc. Unbelievable read. It actually states we were paying out more than we were getting in. Who the hell puts a club in this position. Now they've done there dough they've chose to apply for the Northern league division 1. Anyone who grants this should be removed from post. Marske have pulled a fast one here they've spouted lies about this that and the other they've conned fans and other good people associated with the club now they've gone ah well let's just go back to the NL 1. The players taking the dosh must have known at the time this wouldn't end well. Send them back to the wearside league. There's club in NL 2 who cut there cloth accordingly that would love a chance in NL1. 100% not fair on the clubs that are ran properly. Beggars belief all this it really does. Why do you think that they’d end up in the Wearside League. Surely most people on here are from the Northeast or have links to the Northeast. If the FALC deems that they should end up being placed in the feeder leagues, they would 100% be placed in the North Riding League. That’s because they’re from the North Riding area and shockingly there is another league other than the Wearside League.
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Post by lovingnonleague on Jan 16, 2024 13:39:30 GMT
Shockingly marske were in the wearside league for the 12 years before they moved upto the Northern league. Maybe they didn't fancy the North Riding league then. Shockingly.
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Post by shieldsjoyrider on Jan 16, 2024 14:34:21 GMT
It is Malvern. Losing five grand a week after the first couple of weeks of that surely the alarm bells were ringing. Should have got rid of the leaches and took the hit on the field instead of off it at least they'd be kicking a ball on Saturday. £5000 a week That equates to £190k for 38 week season £240k for 48 weeks £260k for 52 weeks So it’s a loss in region of a fifth to a quarter of a Million Pounds Who in their right mind thinks this is a sustainable business model? That’s Marske and North Shields in financial mire, and I think Blyth , Spennymoor , South Shields , Darlington have similar debts Not even a cup run to First rounds wipes this amount of debt out Cloud cuckoo land
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Post by windy1970 on Jan 16, 2024 14:36:27 GMT
Shockingly marske were in the wearside league for the 12 years before they moved upto the Northern league. Maybe they didn't fancy the North Riding league then. Shockingly. Nope, the NRL wasn’t a step 7 league at the time and only achieved this maybe 10 years ago. So ambitious clubs had to choose between the York Minster league and the Wearside league. The FA wanted to fill in all the gaps around the country and my recollection is that along with the North Riding there was also the Lincs, Oxfordshire and Salop leagues were given step 7 status. The FA’s aim was to complete the process and add a Cumbrian and Worcestershire leagues. Unfortunately the FA decided to drop step 7 and leave it in the hands of the counties and they are all called feeder leagues. So it is no longer the case and clubs are placed in the Wearside league, because there’s no other option. They’re placed into the most appropriate league and just as Marske Utd Res are in the NRL, so will their first team. The club would probably prefer this over the Wearside, because they will want to get back into the Northern League as soon as possible and in my opinion the Wearside league is one of the most competitive leagues at this level. Shockingly
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