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Post by england on Aug 21, 2024 11:21:16 GMT
I wonder if they will actually relegate teams for this? In theory yes. They flagged multiple issues with Woodhorn Lane and told us we would fail the ground grading in March if we didn't fix them. There were the tings we knew we needed to do (infill the perimeter fence and install turnstiles), but there were daft things like some of the emergency exit signs had faded in the sun and the technical areas not being marked out (because we hadn't played a game yet so didn't waste the paint). Would they have relegated us if we hadn't done it? I believe so. Ask North Shields. Quite a big difference from what you have been told to do, in comparison with North Shields. I know the theory, it’s in the rules. I just wondered in practice if they would actually do it.
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Post by england on Aug 21, 2024 11:24:40 GMT
Its just so difficult in the current climate, financially and volunteer wise to improve, maintain and in many cases its a catch 22. Dont pay players and use your money on the ground, facilities, results may be poor and you lose support through the gate. The likes of Birtley Town seem to have hit the jackpot. hard work, ground improvements, good and plentiful volunteers, gradually building up the fan base and therefore revenue. years of graft and doing things the rite way now, they can do both. If you can’t afford it, then it’s unlikely (granted not impossible), that you should be in this position. As you have mentioned too many have overspent in the wrong areas and there is no sympathy for that. North Shields and Markse being examples. With automatic promotion teams needs to realise that promotion is a real possibility that it might not have been previously and should be thinking about these things now. Get fund raising, get planing applications in, get grants completed etc
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Post by cornishpasty on Aug 21, 2024 12:18:41 GMT
Also there are always going to be clubs that dont ever want promotion, wary of costs and if they can manage it, so, just happy to plod away.
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Post by england on Aug 21, 2024 14:27:15 GMT
Also there are always going to be clubs that dont ever want promotion, wary of costs and if they can manage it, so, just happy to plod away. Yeah of course and that’s fine, my comments are more aimed at those who seemingly have a decent playing budget, are up at the top of the table etc
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Post by Neil on Sept 4, 2024 16:48:13 GMT
Apparently only 7 clubs in the Northern League have achieved a pass from the ground inspections.
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Post by 2009vasewinner on Sept 4, 2024 19:28:31 GMT
Apparently only 7 clubs in the Northern League have achieved a pass from the ground inspections. any idear which seven
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Post by sikirk on Sept 4, 2024 20:09:16 GMT
Apparently only 7 clubs in the Northern League have achieved a pass from the ground inspections. Presume thats northern league grading not northern premier
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Post by Neil on Sept 4, 2024 21:53:37 GMT
Apparently only 7 clubs in the Northern League have achieved a pass from the ground inspections. any idear which seven Not a clue. I know we were flagged on a couple of issues that were soon rectified but not sure whether we're included in either the pass or fail group. Hopefully most are similar cases where issues have been brought up but easily sorted and done.
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Post by squaddie on Sept 4, 2024 22:29:22 GMT
Apparently only 7 clubs in the Northern League have achieved a pass from the ground inspections. any idear which seven Don’t think it matters who’s grounds they are The fact they’ve allowed clubs in who don’t have a ground or rule break to be In they can’t punish clubs who are already in for failing. Bad times
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Sept 4, 2024 23:05:22 GMT
Not a clue. I know we were flagged on a couple of issues that were soon rectified but not sure whether we're included in either the pass or fail group. Hopefully most are similar cases where issues have been brought up but easily sorted and done. We passed ours at Birtley Town. No idea who others are tho
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Post by windy1970 on Sept 5, 2024 4:26:47 GMT
Don’t think it matters who’s grounds they are The fact they’ve allowed clubs in who don’t have a ground or rule break to be In they can’t punish clubs who are already in for failing. Bad times The FA leagues committee decides which clubs are eligible to play in each league. Most of the failures across the pyramid were to do with fairly minor issues. Signage missing, hashed markings not there, dug outs 6” too small etc. In general most clubs passed or were pretty close and the only reason why it’s come to a head, is to do with the fact that the FA now has a specific team grading to exact rules and regulation's. When leagues used to have specific ground graders, corners were cut and rules weren’t strictly adhered to. That is why there were so many failures and clubs were given 12 months moratorium to pass all the requirements.
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Post by pugsnbean on Sept 5, 2024 6:22:02 GMT
Its just so difficult in the current climate, financially and volunteer wise to improve, maintain and in many cases its a catch 22. Dont pay players and use your money on the ground, facilities, results may be poor and you lose support through the gate. The likes of Birtley Town seem to have hit the jackpot. hard work, ground improvements, good and plentiful volunteers, gradually building up the fan base and therefore revenue. years of graft and doing things the rite way now, they can do both. Spot on. As the profile of the club is largely on how the team is performing, it’s striking that fine balance between investing on the playing side (and having a shrewd manager) while still having the necessary to improve the facilities to the required standard. Birtley and Heaton Stan are great examples of how it seems to have been done in the right way. Nothing overnight, just steady year on year progress.
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Post by england on Sept 5, 2024 7:49:29 GMT
Don’t think it matters who’s grounds they are The fact they’ve allowed clubs in who don’t have a ground or rule break to be In they can’t punish clubs who are already in for failing. Bad times The FA leagues committee decides which clubs are eligible to play in each league. Most of the failures across the pyramid were to do with fairly minor issues. Signage missing, hashed markings not there, dug outs 6” too small etc. In general most clubs passed or were pretty close and the only reason why it’s come to a head, is to do with the fact that the FA now has a specific team grading to exact rules and regulation's. When leagues used to have specific ground graders, corners were cut and rules weren’t strictly adhered to. That is why there were so many failures and clubs were given 12 months moratorium to pass all the requirements. Stuff like this is what I wonder what will happen. If someone’s dug outs are 6” too small that’s not an easy fix, will teams be relegated for this sort of thing!
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Post by hoopy on Sept 5, 2024 10:07:55 GMT
The FA leagues committee decides which clubs are eligible to play in each league. Most of the failures across the pyramid were to do with fairly minor issues. Signage missing, hashed markings not there, dug outs 6” too small etc. In general most clubs passed or were pretty close and the only reason why it’s come to a head, is to do with the fact that the FA now has a specific team grading to exact rules and regulation's. When leagues used to have specific ground graders, corners were cut and rules weren’t strictly adhered to. That is why there were so many failures and clubs were given 12 months moratorium to pass all the requirements. Stuff like this is what I wonder what will happen. If someone’s dug outs are 6” too small that’s not an easy fix, will teams be relegated for this sort of thing! I imagine they will going forward. They've given teams 12 months to sort them out, and if they don't I suspect they'll have to relegate them. Same with teams getting promoted, they'll have until the following March to get up to spec, and if they don't they'll be sent back from whence they came. We've had it easy over the years with things being let slide, but now the FA are running grounding inspections I think they'll be very stringent. And rightly so.
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Post by england on Sept 5, 2024 12:47:17 GMT
Stuff like this is what I wonder what will happen. If someone’s dug outs are 6” too small that’s not an easy fix, will teams be relegated for this sort of thing! I imagine they will going forward. They've given teams 12 months to sort them out, and if they don't I suspect they'll have to relegate them. Same with teams getting promoted, they'll have until the following March to get up to spec, and if they don't they'll be sent back from whence they came. We've had it easy over the years with things being let slide, but now the FA are running grounding inspections I think they'll be very stringent. And rightly so. I’m aware that’s the rules, just doesn’t actually seems practical. Will 13 teams actually get regulated!!
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