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Post by eastdurhamhopper on Aug 20, 2024 8:15:27 GMT
When you look at the grounds of some of the more established clubs you also think they could be in trouble too. Like who and why? I know from reading this forum Birtley were given quite a few actions - I believe a lot of them have now been covered off by them. Fair play to them Chester le street United - I know they are playing at the hub this season (thats another joke) even at the riverside i think only 2 sides of the pitch are accessible to fans? Bedlington must have a lot of work to carry out. There is no way their floodlights can be the required level. and if as some clubs mentioned, the standing areas etc are reviewed, you cant even get to a lot of the ground without fighting through weeds and nettles. Esh Winning - Although one of my favourite grounds must also be right on the limit with floodlights Boldon's ground and pitch needs a lot of work. I don't know if the ground grading looks at the pitch or not? if so you could add a few more to that list
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Post by brutus on Aug 20, 2024 9:55:28 GMT
I've been to eight grounds this season (not counting pre-season friendlies) and think there was probably something that most of them could be questioned about in ground grading. Many were comparatively minor like lack of signage, lack of yellow hatching in front of stands (or it's badly faded), issues with the pitch barriers, the ability to watch a game from outside, etc. It's early days to comment on floodlights but last season lights at Esh Winning and Bedlington were poor. I'd also be interested whether the drainage issues at the likes of Washington and Bedlington have been addressed.
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Post by sikirk on Aug 20, 2024 9:56:01 GMT
I know from reading this forum Birtley were given quite a few actions - I believe a lot of them have now been covered off by them. Fair play to them Chester le street United - I know they are playing at the hub this season (thats another joke) even at the riverside i think only 2 sides of the pitch are accessible to fans? Bedlington must have a lot of work to carry out. There is no way their floodlights can be the required level. and if as some clubs mentioned, the standing areas etc are reviewed, you cant even get to a lot of the ground without fighting through weeds and nettles. Esh Winning - Although one of my favourite grounds must also be right on the limit with floodlights Boldon's ground and pitch needs a lot of work. I don't know if the ground grading looks at the pitch or not? if so you could add a few more to that list Could we se multiple relegations due to ground issues. As you say some have been in a dire state for a few year now. However leagues would be short and feeder leagues full
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Post by wacker on Aug 20, 2024 12:03:18 GMT
I can see issues with floodlighting lux if the FA independently verify. In the past, Clubs have been required to arrange lux certificates , which in my opinion is a bit like marking your own homework. I don't get to many away games, but in the past I've been surprised some grounds are anywhere near the 120 lux required, or have the correct uniformity. Having a well lit pitch must be a priority on the grounds of safety.
I have also noticed across the pyramid the lack of fully enclosed grounds, often the grey area being sports hubs where games can easily be watched from outside. Hopefully this will be clamped down on, although from the grounds Ive been to in the Northern League, compliance seems to be largely followed.
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Post by england on Aug 20, 2024 15:10:33 GMT
Suppose that’s the info I was looking for. Some of the rules are nothing to do with size, could be signage or small changing rooms etc Yeah, they flag ANYTHING that isn't 100% spot on. One of the things they flagged with us last year when we got promoted was that they we didn't have a treatment table in the home dressing room. We pointed out we have a separate treatment room (which is allowed) but when they came back in march we moved it into the dressing room just in case. I wonder if they will actually relegate teams for this?
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Post by england on Aug 20, 2024 15:12:07 GMT
We have all been to grounds, watched games and noticed some of the issues.
Just wondered if anyone knew anything official.
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Post by lovingnonleague on Aug 20, 2024 15:12:31 GMT
I know from reading this forum Birtley were given quite a few actions - I believe a lot of them have now been covered off by them. Fair play to them Chester le street United - I know they are playing at the hub this season (thats another joke) even at the riverside i think only 2 sides of the pitch are accessible to fans? Bedlington must have a lot of work to carry out. There is no way their floodlights can be the required level. and if as some clubs mentioned, the standing areas etc are reviewed, you cant even get to a lot of the ground without fighting through weeds and nettles. Esh Winning - Although one of my favourite grounds must also be right on the limit with floodlights Boldon's ground and pitch needs a lot of work. I don't know if the ground grading looks at the pitch or not? if so you could add a few more to that list Could we se multiple relegations due to ground issues. As you say some have been in a dire state for a few year now. However leagues would be short and feeder leagues full If your looking at relegation for ground issues the first clubs I'd get rid of are the ones groundsharing yes not all grounds are like Wembley but there are some trying clubs and there's some who take the piss.
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Post by lovingnonleague on Aug 20, 2024 15:13:37 GMT
I know from reading this forum Birtley were given quite a few actions - I believe a lot of them have now been covered off by them. Fair play to them Chester le street United - I know they are playing at the hub this season (thats another joke) even at the riverside i think only 2 sides of the pitch are accessible to fans? Bedlington must have a lot of work to carry out. There is no way their floodlights can be the required level. and if as some clubs mentioned, the standing areas etc are reviewed, you cant even get to a lot of the ground without fighting through weeds and nettles. Esh Winning - Although one of my favourite grounds must also be right on the limit with floodlights Boldon's ground and pitch needs a lot of work. I don't know if the ground grading looks at the pitch or not? if so you could add a few more to that list Don't know when you were last at Boldon but there pitch and ground this season are absolutely fine.
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Post by eastdurhamhopper on Aug 20, 2024 15:37:51 GMT
Could we se multiple relegations due to ground issues. As you say some have been in a dire state for a few year now. However leagues would be short and feeder leagues full If your looking at relegation for ground issues the first clubs I'd get rid of are the ones groundsharing yes not all grounds are like Wembley but there are some trying clubs and there's some who take the piss. Wouldn't disagree. I think that's a separate issue but i don't think teams who groundshare should be eligible for promotion. Unless it has been a groundshare prior to them applying. If it's just a stop gap like Boro rangers (Last season), Yarm, CLS United etc. they should have to wait till their own ground is ready.
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Aug 21, 2024 0:12:40 GMT
If your looking at relegation for ground issues the first clubs I'd get rid of are the ones groundsharing yes not all grounds are like Wembley but there are some trying clubs and there's some who take the piss. Wouldn't disagree. I think that's a separate issue but i don't think teams who groundshare should be eligible for promotion. Unless it has been a groundshare prior to them applying. If it's just a stop gap like Boro rangers (Last season), Yarm, CLS United etc. they should have to wait till their own ground is ready. I agree with wit most of what you have said here the problem for me is some good clubs being denied promotion when they do everything right. Some really strange decisions over the last few seasons and I don’t blame individual leagues for one minute. The blame lies with the national FA for not stamping down on the problem .
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Post by hoopy on Aug 21, 2024 5:54:15 GMT
Yeah, they flag ANYTHING that isn't 100% spot on. One of the things they flagged with us last year when we got promoted was that they we didn't have a treatment table in the home dressing room. We pointed out we have a separate treatment room (which is allowed) but when they came back in march we moved it into the dressing room just in case. I wonder if they will actually relegate teams for this? In theory yes. They flagged multiple issues with Woodhorn Lane and told us we would fail the ground grading in March if we didn't fix them. There were the tings we knew we needed to do (infill the perimeter fence and install turnstiles), but there were daft things like some of the emergency exit signs had faded in the sun and the technical areas not being marked out (because we hadn't played a game yet so didn't waste the paint). Would they have relegated us if we hadn't done it? I believe so. Ask North Shields.
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Post by wafc on Aug 21, 2024 7:15:54 GMT
I've said it before and say it again..if a club asn't got there own ground they should not be considered for promotion.What some teams do (not clubs)just stinks.
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Aug 21, 2024 8:44:21 GMT
I've said it before and say it again..if a club asn't got there own ground they should not be considered for promotion.What some teams do (not clubs)just stinks. Nail on the head
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Post by sikirk on Aug 21, 2024 10:06:02 GMT
I've said it before and say it again..if a club asn't got there own ground they should not be considered for promotion.What some teams do (not clubs)just stinks. I agree but i suppose how many clubs actually own the ground they play at, i bet theres not many in northern league level but yeah some are taking the wee and offer nothing to the league, maybe a vehicle for a academy or someone whos loaded hobby, i dont know. All this seasons newly promoted clubs have done it right but god knows who we will see coming up going forward, reserve sides, or recently formed teams ground sharing at northern league grounds who have little chance of getting a ground in there home base, makes me wonder how such clubs can afford it
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Post by cornishpasty on Aug 21, 2024 10:59:03 GMT
Its just so difficult in the current climate, financially and volunteer wise to improve, maintain and in many cases its a catch 22. Dont pay players and use your money on the ground, facilities, results may be poor and you lose support through the gate.
The likes of Birtley Town seem to have hit the jackpot. hard work, ground improvements, good and plentiful volunteers, gradually building up the fan base and therefore revenue. years of graft and doing things the rite way now, they can do both.
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