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Post by malvern2 on Dec 16, 2023 10:50:00 GMT
It’s always strange that business men’s brains go to mush and common sense goes out the window once they become involved in football This is 2nd time shields may have gone bust - both times after chasing the goal of promotion to Northern Premier leagues The new ground is basic , how it ever passed grading for NL is beyond me Their committee / board should hang their heads in shame - it’s easy offering players £xxx but there has to be a robust plan to meet these financial obligations With regards to 4 postponed games - They should be facing points reduction for each game along with a fine The cancellations may leave other clubs short - case in point Whitley Bay could have been expecting their largest crowd of the season on Boxing Day - fans and sales of refreshments - Sad times all round Maybe players and chairmen need to look at what is sustainable , and realise - the players ARE at this level for a reason Post of the week
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Post by shieldsjoyrider on Dec 16, 2023 10:59:02 GMT
It’s always strange that business men’s brains go to mush and common sense goes out the window once they become involved in football This is 2nd time shields may have gone bust - both times after chasing the goal of promotion to Northern Premier leagues The new ground is basic , how it ever passed grading for NL is beyond me Their committee / board should hang their heads in shame - it’s easy offering players £xxx but there has to be a robust plan to meet these financial obligations With regards to 4 postponed games - They should be facing points reduction for each game along with a fine The cancellations may leave other clubs short - case in point Whitley Bay could have been expecting their largest crowd of the season on Boxing Day - fans and sales of refreshments - Sad times all round Maybe players and chairmen need to look at what is sustainable , and realise - the players ARE at this level for a reason Post of the week At the coast , there are Rockcliffe and Percy Park rugby teams I admit - I have no idea of their standard - But these clubs don’t appear to be living beyond their means Maybe football at NL level should be amateur ? I’ve played at a higher level than NL level In my sport - and pay to play ( my choice) I hasten to add - Football does not live in the real world when it comes to finance imho Anyway Merry Christmas - to all
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Post by england on Dec 16, 2023 11:05:22 GMT
It’s always strange that business men’s brains go to mush and common sense goes out the window once they become involved in football This is 2nd time shields may have gone bust - both times after chasing the goal of promotion to Northern Premier leagues The new ground is basic , how it ever passed grading for NL is beyond me Their committee / board should hang their heads in shame - it’s easy offering players £xxx but there has to be a robust plan to meet these financial obligations With regards to 4 postponed games - They should be facing points reduction for each game along with a fine The cancellations may leave other clubs short - case in point Whitley Bay could have been expecting their largest crowd of the season on Boxing Day - fans and sales of refreshments - Sad times all round Maybe players and chairmen need to look at what is sustainable , and realise - the players ARE at this level for a reason Yeah its all well and good feeling sorry for n shields but what about other clubs with no fixtures due to there suspension, no fixtures at a time of year when crowds will be up Exactly this, if the begging bowl is out, then it should be shared between all clubs as they are all in the same boat! They shouldn’t be rewarded for financial mismanagement
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Post by windy1970 on Dec 16, 2023 12:11:02 GMT
Does anyone know if they own their ground or are they tenants
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Post by footyfollower on Dec 16, 2023 12:41:11 GMT
Does anyone know if they own their ground or are they tenants I think they own the ground
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Post by windy1970 on Dec 16, 2023 13:37:47 GMT
Does anyone know if they own their ground or are they tenants I think they own the ground Thanks, on another point has anyone knocked up a table if the grim reaper decides to visit North Shields at this festive occasion. ie if their results are expunged
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Post by jambon on Dec 16, 2023 13:50:21 GMT
I think they own the ground Thanks, on another point has anyone knocked up a table if the grim reaper decides to visit North Shields at this festive occasion. ie if their results are expunged Bishop move 5 points clear
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Post by windy1970 on Dec 16, 2023 14:54:39 GMT
Thanks, on another point has anyone knocked up a table if the grim reaper decides to visit North Shields at this festive occasion. ie if their results are expunged Bishop move 5 points clear If they don’t go pop, the rest of their games this season will be a joke. Could the season be decided by future games at both ends of the season. With double figure scores and everyone taking points off them
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Post by shieldsjoyrider on Dec 16, 2023 16:38:39 GMT
Bishop move 5 points clear If they don’t go pop, the rest of their games this season will be a joke. Could the season be decided by future games at both ends of the season. With double figure scores and everyone taking points off them It could end up similar to Durham City who had to field sixth formers in northern Premier league leading to silly results
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Post by sikirk on Dec 16, 2023 17:10:34 GMT
Bishop move 5 points clear If they don’t go pop, the rest of their games this season will be a joke. Could the season be decided by future games at both ends of the season. With double figure scores and everyone taking points off them Already the case with tow law who are getting beat by double figures, would be a farce if theres two teams in the same division in the same boat not the mention the Brandon situation which surely should be resolved before xmas one way or another
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Post by deano80 on Dec 17, 2023 10:25:05 GMT
This is unbelievable. It’s just over 30 years ago since the previous North Shields club folded, losing the impressive Appleby Park ground in the process.
Since the club reformed, it seems to have been run very professionally. A team of dedicated volunteers who have built up the club from scratch. Progress in the last 30 years has been steady away, with a good number of years in the Wearside League, before making the step up to the Northern League.
Not sure what has gone on over the last couple of years, but clearly things have changed. I was never a fan of enforced promotion as I always thought it would put clubs in very difficult financial positions (the current plight of Marske United and now North Shields is evidence of that). Although others have stepped up and seem to be flourishing.
But to go up and not prioritise the ground improvements was a real mistake. A plan should have been in place to make sure the required work was done, but I’m aware that is easier said than done and money will always be a stumbling block in that regard.
Demotion on the ground grading was always a bitter pill to swallow and I believe this did lead to some supporters feeling quite disgruntled.
What’s gone on now, I’ve no idea (and don’t like to speculate too much). Games being off due to weather isn’t unusual and it will always bring a cash flow issue. But to take the step of releasing the entire squad suggests there is a bigger issue at play. That promised funding from an external source has been withdrawn or the budgeting process has failed and incomings expected have not materialised. However, the club are averaging crowds of 250 which isn’t bad at all and only around 50 down on last season.
No doubt more will be revealed in due course, but I feel very sorry for the dedicated supporters and volunteers to find themselves in this position. It would be a real shame to see the club slide backwards towards the Wearside League or Northern Alliance.
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Post by england on Dec 17, 2023 10:39:01 GMT
This is unbelievable. It’s just over 30 years ago since the previous North Shields club folded, losing the impressive Appleby Park ground in the process. Since the club reformed, it seems to have been run very professionally. A team of dedicated volunteers who have built up the club from scratch. Progress in the last 30 years has been steady away, with a good number of years in the Wearside League, before making the step up to the Northern League. Not sure what has gone on over the last couple of years, but clearly things have changed. I was never a fan of enforced promotion as I always thought it would put clubs in very difficult financial positions (the current plight of Marske United and now North Shields is evidence of that). Although others have stepped up and seem to be flourishing. But to go up and not prioritise the ground improvements was a real mistake. A plan should have been in place to make sure the required work was done, but I’m aware that is easier said than done and money will always be a stumbling block in that regard. Demotion on the ground grading was always a bitter pill to swallow and I believe this did lead to some supporters feeling quite disgruntled. What’s gone on now, I’ve no idea (and don’t like to speculate too much). Games being off due to weather isn’t unusual and it will always bring a cash flow issue. But to take the step of releasing the entire squad suggests there is a bigger issue at play. That promised funding from an external source has been withdrawn or the budgeting process has failed and incomings expected have not materialised. However, the club are averaging crowds of 250 which isn’t bad at all and only around 50 down on last season. No doubt more will be revealed in due course, but I feel very sorry for the dedicated supporters and volunteers to find themselves in this position. It would be a real shame to see the club slide backwards towards the Wearside League or Northern Alliance. If you think the issues that marske and North Shields are facing now is down to enforced promotion then I would suggest you don’t understand the situation.
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Post by hoopy on Dec 17, 2023 11:26:49 GMT
This is unbelievable. It’s just over 30 years ago since the previous North Shields club folded, losing the impressive Appleby Park ground in the process. Since the club reformed, it seems to have been run very professionally. A team of dedicated volunteers who have built up the club from scratch. Progress in the last 30 years has been steady away, with a good number of years in the Wearside League, before making the step up to the Northern League. Not sure what has gone on over the last couple of years, but clearly things have changed. I was never a fan of enforced promotion as I always thought it would put clubs in very difficult financial positions (the current plight of Marske United and now North Shields is evidence of that). Although others have stepped up and seem to be flourishing. But to go up and not prioritise the ground improvements was a real mistake. A plan should have been in place to make sure the required work was done, but I’m aware that is easier said than done and money will always be a stumbling block in that regard. Demotion on the ground grading was always a bitter pill to swallow and I believe this did lead to some supporters feeling quite disgruntled. What’s gone on now, I’ve no idea (and don’t like to speculate too much). Games being off due to weather isn’t unusual and it will always bring a cash flow issue. But to take the step of releasing the entire squad suggests there is a bigger issue at play. That promised funding from an external source has been withdrawn or the budgeting process has failed and incomings expected have not materialised. However, the club are averaging crowds of 250 which isn’t bad at all and only around 50 down on last season. No doubt more will be revealed in due course, but I feel very sorry for the dedicated supporters and volunteers to find themselves in this position. It would be a real shame to see the club slide backwards towards the Wearside League or Northern Alliance. If you think the issues that marske and North Shields are facing now is down to enforced promotion then I would suggest you don’t understand the situation. Exactly this.
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Post by mut on Dec 17, 2023 11:29:59 GMT
Bang on England.you can't blame automatic promotion for north shield refusing to bring the ground up to standard,and I'd suspect keep the money that was raised.
Nor can you blame it on marske spending 25 to 30 grand per month on players wages.....they have an easier way out of this,allow the players to join other clubs for free and drastically reduce the bill.but no they are trying their damdest to keep team together.so what next,ask for the 300k during summer so can see next year out?
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Post by footyfollower on Dec 17, 2023 11:59:35 GMT
So what are the possibilities for Shields?
1 Fold, and start as a new club next season in the Alliance or Wearside 2 Fold and disappear completely 3 Limp on to the end of the season in the NL , getting hammered every week, but certainly not finishing bottom of the league as they have enough points already to stay up There are many more clued up people on this forum than me who could help answer the question
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