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Post by cornishpasty on Dec 15, 2023 20:26:41 GMT
Given the situation at North Shields is it time for clubs to realize, paying weekly wages to players/management etc. doesn't work in some circumstances.
Is pay as you play the only way forward to use a playing budget? Thoughts folks?
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Post by lovingnonleague on Dec 15, 2023 21:40:37 GMT
Depends on the circumstances. How much is the budget. Some clubs have got next seasons budget in the bank already. Depends on where you get your money from aswell again some clubs have a bar that's there's so that's a massive help wheres other clubs get nowt from the bar. North shields look like they've been living week to week and it's caught up with them. No games no bar money no nowt players on top whack. Only one outcome when your doing that.
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Post by gabilonia on Dec 15, 2023 22:11:40 GMT
Given the situation at North Shields is it time for clubs to realize, paying weekly wages to players/management etc. doesn't work in some circumstances. Is pay as you play the only way forward to use a playing budget? Thoughts folks? Say you do a play as you play but your away for 4 games in a row Saturday and Tuesday, surely that costs more that Say you'll get x a week a week rather than you'll get x every game you play
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Post by england on Dec 15, 2023 23:30:25 GMT
It doesn’t really matter what you do, but you divide it by the amount of weeks ie 38/40 weeks or 50 ish games
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Post by cornishpasty on Dec 16, 2023 12:19:46 GMT
And all good in theory, but it has shown on numerous occasions weather that be due to postponements, a sponsor dropping out or whatever that paying weekly is far more of a risk than paying per game.
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Post by cornishpasty on Dec 16, 2023 12:20:17 GMT
Given the situation at North Shields is it time for clubs to realize, paying weekly wages to players/management etc. doesn't work in some circumstances. Is pay as you play the only way forward to use a playing budget? Thoughts folks? Say you do a play as you play but your away for 4 games in a row Saturday and Tuesday, surely that costs more that Say you'll get x a week a week rather than you'll get x every game you play
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Post by cornishpasty on Dec 16, 2023 12:22:17 GMT
Say you do a play as you play but your away for 4 games in a row Saturday and Tuesday, surely that costs more that Say you'll get x a week a week rather than you'll get x every game you play I get what your saying, I think, but thats where structure and planning comes into it, at the end of the day it doesnt matter if a game is Saturday or midweek, players on wages will still get the same amount in the long run
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Post by england on Dec 16, 2023 12:54:16 GMT
And all good in theory, but it has shown on numerous occasions weather that be due to postponements, a sponsor dropping out or whatever that paying weekly is far more of a risk than paying per game. It makes no diff it’s the same amount! It’s the same figure that you start with it’s just divided by different amounts! Main things to cope with winter are either don’t pay, pay half etc
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Post by cornishpasty on Dec 16, 2023 16:29:03 GMT
And all good in theory, but it has shown on numerous occasions weather that be due to postponements, a sponsor dropping out or whatever that paying weekly is far more of a risk than paying per game. It makes no diff it’s the same amount! It’s the same figure that you start with it’s just divided by different amounts! Main things to cope with winter are either don’t pay, pay half etc Of course it makes a difference ie you pay a player lets say £100 per week if there are games postponed players get paid from week one until the season finally comes to an end, where as players getting paid per game wont be paid the weeks of postponements. £100 x 40 weeks = £4,000 ............ That player whos worth is that wont get £100 per game over the course of the season maybe half, maybe £60, average 50 games with cup games £50 x 50 games = £2, 500 of course that is just an example
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Post by england on Dec 16, 2023 17:30:19 GMT
It makes no diff it’s the same amount! It’s the same figure that you start with it’s just divided by different amounts! Main things to cope with winter are either don’t pay, pay half etc Of course it makes a difference ie you pay a player lets say £100 per week if there are games postponed players get paid from week one until the season finally comes to an end, where as players getting paid per game wont be paid the weeks of postponements. £100 x 40 weeks = £4,000 ............ That player whos worth is that wont get £100 per game over the course of the season maybe half, maybe £60, average 50 games with cup games £50 x 50 games = £2, 500 of course that is just an example If your figure is £4000 then you would pay them £80 per game so over 50 games (in your example), it would be £4000. Ie exactly the same!!
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Post by cornishpasty on Dec 17, 2023 0:32:09 GMT
If your figure is £4000 then you would pay them £80 per game so over 50 games (in your example), it would be £4000. Ie exactly the same!! But that doesn't happen, no club in their right mind with a brain cell between them would do that. Name me one club you've been involved with where they pay 80% on a pay as you play basis in comparison to a set wage? Lets please be realistic here rather than making up figures to try validate your point England.
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Post by england on Dec 17, 2023 7:23:42 GMT
If your figure is £4000 then you would pay them £80 per game so over 50 games (in your example), it would be £4000. Ie exactly the same!! But that doesn't happen, no club in their right mind with a brain cell between them would do that. Name me one club you've been involved with where they pay 80% on a pay as you play basis in comparison to a set wage? Lets please be realistic here rather than making up figures to try validate your point England. I’m saying it doesn’t make any difference, it’s not the method of payment you make that is cheaper or more expensive, it’s the amount you pay.
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Post by cornishpasty on Dec 17, 2023 12:28:50 GMT
But that doesn't happen, no club in their right mind with a brain cell between them would do that. Name me one club you've been involved with where they pay 80% on a pay as you play basis in comparison to a set wage? Lets please be realistic here rather than making up figures to try validate your point England. I’m saying it doesn’t make any difference, it’s not the method of payment you make that is cheaper or more expensive, it’s the amount you pay. But I never initially mentioned the amount you pay, the post was about the METHOD of payment and the circumstances of paying weekly, obviously as Ive said that is more of a risk and it blatantly is..
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Post by england on Dec 17, 2023 12:39:49 GMT
I’m saying it doesn’t make any difference, it’s not the method of payment you make that is cheaper or more expensive, it’s the amount you pay. But I never initially mentioned the amount you pay, the post was about the METHOD of payment and the circumstances of paying weekly, obviously as Ive said that is more of a risk and it blatantly is.. I’ve already explained how the method of payment makes no difference!! It’s the amount you pay that is the issue! Really don’t know how I can explain that anymore!
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Post by cornishpasty on Dec 17, 2023 13:55:49 GMT
But I never initially mentioned the amount you pay, the post was about the METHOD of payment and the circumstances of paying weekly, obviously as Ive said that is more of a risk and it blatantly is.. I’ve already explained how the method of payment makes no difference!! It’s the amount you pay that is the issue! Really don’t know how I can explain that anymore! Because your wrong... Of course the method of payment makes a difference A weekly wage gives a set amount leaving a clubs account and clubs short, out of pocket at times when games are postponed or money is tight through other reasons. Paying per game gives a club a chance. Jezzus Ive done it long enough to know the difference and which is more secure !!!!
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