tor
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Post by tor on May 23, 2023 9:44:23 GMT
I was speaking with someone who suggested the (relative) success of NUFC is good for North East football. This came on the back of someone suggesting that the reduction in WBFC crowds in the NL last season was in some way due to people turning back to NUFC. Could it be that the (relative) success of NUFC, SAFC and MFC actually has a detrimental effect on non league football in the North East?
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Post by pooliehopper on May 23, 2023 10:22:46 GMT
It's very hard to say. For everyone who would either happily attend say, Newcastle Benfield, you'll have a few Mags who would stupidly refer to it as "pub league" and wouldn't ever watch it.
To be fair, as long as SJP sells out, there's always a chance for non league Tyneside teams to get people through the gates. Teams like Heaton Stannington, South Shields and Newcastle Blue Star all seem to get good numbers post takeover.
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ian
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Post by ian on May 23, 2023 10:49:33 GMT
Yes I notice a fall in numbers when either Newcastle or Blyth Spartans are playing at home on the same day
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Post by england on May 23, 2023 13:36:59 GMT
I’d say it has a detrimental effect, home games have a massive impact on crowds
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Post by rodentcatcher on May 23, 2023 19:44:33 GMT
Neverhad much of an impact on Bishops'. Always a sign of a proper club with a genuinely loyal fan base.
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ian
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Post by ian on May 23, 2023 20:20:09 GMT
Neverhad much of an impact on Bishops'. Always a sign of a proper club with a genuinely loyal fan base. Longsuffering even |
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Post by sikirk on May 23, 2023 20:24:38 GMT
Neverhad much of an impact on Bishops'. Always a sign of a proper club with a genuinely loyal fan base. It wont considering Sunderland, middlesbrough and newcastle are 25-30 mile away not a short ride away on the train or metro |
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Post by rodentcatcher on May 23, 2023 21:31:39 GMT
Neverhad much of an impact on Bishops'. Always a sign of a proper club with a genuinely loyal fan base. Longsuffering even Yes perhaps, reinforces my point actually Ian |
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Post by varsoar on May 24, 2023 6:49:14 GMT
Well, I don't agree with Mr Catcher on this one. It was evident during the season that a number of previously long-suffering Bishop fans were spending more time back at St James and the Stadium of Light. A noticeable number just in terms of the people that I usually see, so there will be far more. How many times do we see crowd increases when fans become disillusioned with their usual league fare? Unfortunately it's just the nature of supporters - and ultimately where they spend their hard earned is very much up to them. Always a shame for teams farther down the pecking order to live off the carcass of the big clubs doing badly!
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Post by fulwellendbogs on May 24, 2023 7:09:31 GMT
I was speaking with someone who suggested the (relative) success of NUFC is good for North East football. This came on the back of someone suggesting that the reduction in WBFC crowds in the NL last season was in some way due to people turning back to NUFC. Could it be that the (relative) success of NUFC, SAFC and MFC actually has a detrimental effect on non league football in the North East? Possibly, however RCA point in case. RCW folded end of 21/22 season and RCA crowds actually dropped last season, despite a reasonable start to the season before their troubles. We didn't gain any fans from up the hill at RCW. Saying that over the years of supporting RCA it tends not to make a difference when SAFC are home or away. |
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Post by Mr Tside on May 24, 2023 7:21:08 GMT
I think it has at most a marginal impact.
Im not sure what the average home and away attendances are across the big 3 clubs. But for arguments sake say its 30k at home and 3k away. (likely a lot more)
So every non home game should mean that a potential 27k people are around to theoretically attend non league games. It simply doesnt translate like that.
I know we have fans who attend Boro home and follow us if there is no game. I suspect most clubs have similar.
Unless its a big Vase game or a vital promotion game your floating fans arent bothered.
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Post by sikirk on May 24, 2023 8:00:07 GMT
I think it has at most a marginal impact. Im not sure what the average home and away attendances are across the big 3 clubs. But for arguments sake say its 30k at home and 3k away. (likely a lot more) So every non home game should mean that a potential 27k people are around to theoretically attend non league games. It simply doesnt translate like that. I know we have fans who attend Boro home and follow us if there is no game. I suspect most clubs have similar. Unless its a big Vase game or a vital promotion game your floating fans arent bothered. Bang on, if say 10% of middelsbroughs average hone crowd went to a couple of non league clubs when middlesbrough were away the grounds would be rammed but does not work like that. Alot of premier league and even championship season ticket holders aint arced about football below that lebel |
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Post by kentrebel on May 24, 2023 19:16:54 GMT
I would suggest that at worst the success of a pro club has little overall effect on local non league. I know that when Sunderland were awful many attending South Shields games wore SAFC colours and when I go to Tow Law, West A, Bishop etc lots of fans have pro teams scarves, hats but do those people actually attend pro games, even want to could they ever afford/access a ticket?
Ok, I live in Weardale now but still go down south to watch my team and BHAFC has had no negative impact on us. Our gates have risen by 500% over recent years despite BHA success and posters on our forum often speak of being priced out by pro footy and preferring being able to change ends, rock up on the day, have a cuppa without taking out a bank loan etc. Yes some long time attendees are going to more pro games but with pro games now on Friday eve, Sat lunchtime, Sat evening, Sunday, Monday (you get the idea).
Some new fans were being pestered too take "little Johnny" to football and baulked at the initial cost when they weren't sure if he would like it; they've tried non league, be it at our place or elsewhere and found it was surprisingly good and great value.
Success for football in a region has a wide impact, as does failure, but in the end it's the non league "Product" that matters and I get much less stress from watching a game up here that matters little to me emotionally rather than biting my nails hoping the Rebels hold on to that 1 goal lead!!
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Post by england on May 24, 2023 22:10:10 GMT
Just look at attendances when Newcastle or Sunderland have a game. They are massively down, it’s a simple fact.
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Post by eastdurhamhopper on May 25, 2023 9:32:30 GMT
Personally i think the impact isn't as big as some might say. Maybe 10/12 people.
Now i appreciate that can bring in a decent little bit of money to any club but i dont think its going to impact a club in the long run
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