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Post by Mr Tside on Sept 11, 2023 19:22:38 GMT
If a teams deliberately doing nothing with ground despite funds been there the fa want to act on this makes a mockery of the whole system. Wonder of theres a maximum amount of times a team can be demoted Surely grants are given on the basis that you can evidence what they are used for.
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Post by handifan on Sept 11, 2023 22:48:23 GMT
Ground grading is a joke. If the ground is safe enough it’s good enough. If it’s a very basic ground then limit the capacity accordingly to encourage owners to improve it.
The massive problem, from premier league to step 7 non league, is that administrators think “something has to be done” and they invariably get it wrong because they don’t have a clue.
All they’ve done is stratify the pyramid which only suits the clubs at the top of the pyramid. That’s anti- competitive and bad for the sport of football in England. Time it was stopped, take the rules away and let clubs and owners compete on and off the pitch.
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Post by sikirk on Sept 12, 2023 7:17:55 GMT
Ground grading is a joke. If the ground is safe enough it’s good enough. If it’s a very basic ground then limit the capacity accordingly to encourage owners to improve it. The massive problem, from premier league to step 7 non league, is that administrators think “something has to be done” and they invariably get it wrong because they don’t have a clue. All they’ve done is stratify the pyramid which only suits the clubs at the top of the pyramid. That’s anti- competitive and bad for the sport of football in England. Time it was stopped, take the rules away and let clubs and owners compete on and off the pitch. Whilst the games administrators are far from perfect Not sure why the ground grading needs to be ripped just because the odd club seemingly cant be bothered to upgrade grounds whilst paying out decent wages. Clubs get a seasons grace and there is grants out there and most clubs manage to get grounds up to scratch, its all about progression, imagine if ground grading was relaxed and clubs went from northern league to national league with little to no improvement, would not be good, its all about doing bits of work to get to the next level up
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Sept 12, 2023 8:02:01 GMT
Ground grading is a joke. If the ground is safe enough it’s good enough. If it’s a very basic ground then limit the capacity accordingly to encourage owners to improve it. The massive problem, from premier league to step 7 non league, is that administrators think “something has to be done” and they invariably get it wrong because they don’t have a clue. All they’ve done is stratify the pyramid which only suits the clubs at the top of the pyramid. That’s anti- competitive and bad for the sport of football in England. Time it was stopped, take the rules away and let clubs and owners compete on and off the pitch. Whilst the games administrators are far from perfect Not sure why the ground grading needs to be ripped just because the odd club seemingly cant be bothered to upgrade grounds whilst paying out decent wages. Clubs get a seasons grace and there is grants out there and most clubs manage to get grounds up to scratch, its all about progression, imagine if ground grading was relaxed and clubs went from northern league to national league with little to no improvement, would not be good, its all about doing bits of work to get to the next level up Nail on the head
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Post by handifan on Sept 12, 2023 8:26:54 GMT
Your post sums up the rules perfectly and why they should just be scrapped. They are designed to prevent a hypothetical scenario but in all the cases where ground grading rules are applied and enforced, they are prohibitive to the clubs involved.
Take Darlo for example, back in 2017 denied a place in the playoffs because they lacked a few seats. Seats FFS! Football is a joke when league positions are decided on how many seats you don’t have.
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Post by kingsway12 on Sept 12, 2023 9:51:06 GMT
Handifan
Ground Grading, sets minimum standards, Darlington knew they needed a minimum of 500 seats at the start of that season, to be eligible for promotion, quite rightly they were denied entry into the play off's, emphasized with their attendances and away support in the National League. Crowd segregation needed with some visiting teams, look at how ill-prepared Spennymoor Town have been in the past with the visit of Darlington, DIY temporary fencing to hold in Darlington supporters whom attended in mass. Certainly at step 1 and 2 clubs have the potential to become football league sides and thus must have the infrastructure in place.
Not sure how Marske are allowed to play at step 3 (sorry) such a tight compact ground, restricted small stands, limited parking in the area, they have no scope to expand, residents housing along one side, in effect close to a three sided ground, thus limitations and could not be promoted to step 2 as at present.
Ground grading reinforces spectator safety and helps provide a match day experience, encouraging the old and those with medical issues to attend games with the knowledge of seating been available to them.
Luton Town, like Bournemouth previously spent a fortune on their grounds to play in the premiership, the right to do.
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Post by malvern2 on Sept 12, 2023 11:49:26 GMT
Handifan Ground Grading, sets minimum standards, Darlington knew they needed a minimum of 500 seats at the start of that season, to be eligible for promotion, quite rightly they were denied entry into the play off's, emphasized with their attendances and away support in the National League. Crowd segregation needed with some visiting teams, look at how ill-prepared Spennymoor Town have been in the past with the visit of Darlington, DIY temporary fencing to hold in Darlington supporters whom attended in mass. Certainly at step 1 and 2 clubs have the potential to become football league sides and thus must have the infrastructure in place. Not sure how Marske are allowed to play at step 3 (sorry) such a tight compact ground, restricted small stands, limited parking in the area, they have no scope to expand, residents housing along one side, in effect close to a three sided ground, thus limitations and could not be promoted to step 2 as at present. Ground grading reinforces spectator safety and helps provide a match day experience, encouraging the old and those with medical issues to attend games with the knowledge of seating been available to them. Luton Town, like Bournemouth previously spent a fortune on their grounds to play in the premiership, the right to do. This 👆
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Post by Mr Tside on Sept 12, 2023 12:52:24 GMT
If you want to talk about ground grading lets acknowledge the disgraceful faculities for wheelchair users at most Northern League grounds.
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Post by 2009vasewinner on Sept 12, 2023 12:56:18 GMT
If you want to talk about ground grading lets acknowledge the disgraceful faculities for wheelchair users at most Northern League grounds. agree not many northern league grounds have even a disabled toilet
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Post by collierylad on Sept 12, 2023 13:01:51 GMT
Blow me this thread has gone slightly off track.
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Sept 12, 2023 13:20:45 GMT
Blow me this thread has gone slightly off track. It certainly has. 🙈🙈
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Post by england on Sept 12, 2023 13:31:13 GMT
If you want to talk about ground grading lets acknowledge the disgraceful faculities for wheelchair users at most Northern League grounds. agree not many northern league grounds have even a disabled toilet I’ve also seen quite a few, worth praising those as well.
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Post by rodentcatcher on Sept 12, 2023 14:02:51 GMT
Bishops' ground is good enough for the next couple of levels up, at least. Great facilities including for the disabled.
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Post by Mr Tside on Sept 12, 2023 14:47:46 GMT
Bishops' ground is good enough for the next couple of levels up, at least. Great facilities including for the disabled. Agree full credit where its due!
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Post by sikirk on Sept 12, 2023 16:47:33 GMT
Odly enough anyone read about that route one manager who are based in keighley, he is himself disabled and mentioned how he struggled at quite a few grounds. Thats one advantage these modern cage type grounds have, better for disabled
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