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Post by sikirk on May 25, 2024 13:59:43 GMT
What bothers me is the ST price minimum in general. Let's be fair here, most NL grounds are in areas where £60 to £90 is a massive jump. Clubs need bigger numbers more than ever, more STs, more fans, more food and drink bought, word of mouth = more supporters. What Billingham Town did wants championing, not punishing. As did Heaton and Birtley allowing kids in for free at their playoff game. Does anyone really gain from this new minimum price rule? There's areas of Billingham and the surrounding area that are classed as deprived with many people in the poverty threshhold. The £21 season tickets not only allowed anyone from any background to enjoy some entertainment on a Saturday afternoon, but was also a huge benefit to the club. We made more money on season tickets last year than when they when they were at a higher price, still had a steady income over the gate, and saw a huge increase in bar takings. It wad also great PR for NL and nonleague football in general. I've no doubt the club would have happily shared the figures with other clubs who might have wanted to try something similar. Instead the LMC have tried to put a stop to it out of pure spite. They tried to stop it last year under the ruling byt were embarrassed when they realised they didn't read their own rules correctly. A joke of a decision from a group of people who get in to games for free who are supposed to run things to benefit the member clubs, not hinder them. Im glad it worked well but even if it flopped and lost the club a fortune thats the clubs issue not the leagues. I thought we lived in a era of free enterprise
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Post by JayTheSynner on May 25, 2024 14:44:33 GMT
All clubs have had an email today from the league to clarify that the minumum ticket pricing will be £5 adults and £3 concessions. It is also up to the clubs what price they want to let u16s in. So kids are unaffected.
So I gather the minumum you can offer a season ticket for to an adult will be £90? I can see a lot of people not wanting to pay that myself.
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Post by bigcbeat1 on May 25, 2024 16:40:16 GMT
Those who are charging £8.00 entry will lose ST sales I would think 21x £8 = £168 minus a max 15% would certainly put a lot off buying one .
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Post by j on May 25, 2024 16:54:04 GMT
Have they given a reason or are clubs just expected to go along with this nonsense without questioning it?
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Post by bigcbeat1 on May 25, 2024 18:13:50 GMT
Have they given a reason or are clubs just expected to go along with this nonsense without questioning it? Don’t know mate . I’m not Birtley secretary now .
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Post by bigcbeat1 on May 26, 2024 8:50:21 GMT
To be honest I think they should have set a maximum admission not a minimum.
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Post by eastdurhamhopper on May 26, 2024 10:33:26 GMT
I’ve asked a couple of people I know still involved with clubs if they know what the sanction would be if this season ticket pricing was ignored.
I would like to see some come together and set the prices they feel correct. Depending on the consequences that is.
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Post by kingsway12 on May 26, 2024 11:02:47 GMT
Minimum pricing was an FA rule, may well be still the case, the Northern League for example in the 1969/70 handbook, under rule 22 as it was then stated admission to all matches shall be at least 2/- , this set by the management committee, (two shillings), in more recent times probably 20 years ago, it was £2 per adult, £1 for concession, anyone that holds these handbooks may well view this, as it was the FA instructed leagues to set an admission price.
Risk Assessments are becoming more of a challenge for clubs to abide by, youngsters should be accompanied to games, it's the home club's responsibility as a duty of care to look after anyone falling ill or have an accident, if a younger has such mis-fortune, their parents need contacting, they may have an illness or medical emergency etc, they could be the subject of unwanted advances, the list of potential circumstances makes painful writing, thus accompaniment will be an insurance requirement for minors in any insurance claim to be upheld.
As for Billingham Town, i see no reason why on the balance sheet it would show season tickets for the value of say £90, this could be £21 from the individual supporter, with £69 from the sponsor, all equates to the said £90, thus two accounting factors and that fulfils the league requirement in full, the individual may well pay £90 for a season ticket then gifted a refund of £69.
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Post by Neil on May 26, 2024 18:54:14 GMT
All clubs have had an email today from the league to clarify that the minumum ticket pricing will be £5 adults and £3 concessions. It is also up to the clubs what price they want to let u16s in. So kids are unaffected. So I gather the minumum you can offer a season ticket for to an adult will be £90? I can see a lot of people not wanting to pay that myself. They're opening up a huge can of worms. They've set a minimum pricing policy then are not adhering to it where they don't feel like it.
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Post by handifan on May 28, 2024 20:45:22 GMT
The only rule they should set is that pricing for all games must be the same. Then let the clubs get on with managing their own business as they see fit.
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Post by brutus on Jun 8, 2024 12:46:04 GMT
Has this issue gone away now because several clubs are advertising season tickets for 24/25 below £90?
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Post by attorney on Jun 9, 2024 13:21:05 GMT
Management Committee have issued an email
Hi All
Please find attached copies of the Ebac Northern League (Standardised) rules, NLS regulations, Cleator Cup, League Cup and Second Division Cup rules for the forthcoming season, these will all be available on the website throughout the season.
Can you please note that Rule 20 for the forthcoming 2024/ 25 season will read as follows:
"20. ADMISSION CHARGES The minimum charge for admission to all matches shall be determined from time to time by the Board. Admission charges must be the same for home and visiting supporters at Competition matches for equivalent accommodation. If there is no equivalent accommodation, the Board may in its absolute discretion consider the charges set by the home Club and determine a reasonable equivalent admission charge for the visiting supporters, which shall be implemented by the home Club until the end of the current Playing Season. Clubs may, with the written permission of the Board, have a maximum of three Competition Match days each Playing Season during which they can vary general admission charges for adults including allowing free admission. Concessionary admission charges or pricing policies for disabled people and their carers/helpers, senior citizens, students, children, unemployed, armed forces etc, if available for home supporters, must be offered on a similar basis to visiting supporters."
Removal of the discretionary element of this rule, which leagues are permitted to do by the FA, will allow clubs maximum flexibility over their own finances and how monies are raised through sponsorship and gate receipts, albeit within the constraints of the FA's rules and regulations. There will be no minimum charges included within the rule and consequently no restrictions placed on season ticket prices or the relative value of complimentary tickets to sponsorship arrangements.
Regards
Kevin
Kevin D. Hewitt
Northern League Secretary
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Post by Neil on Jun 9, 2024 13:31:38 GMT
Good news they've U-turned. As it should be.
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Post by lovingnonleague on Jun 9, 2024 14:21:47 GMT
This will be the same scenario across the leagues. Why are the league so insistent on this? If they released a statement outlining their reasons there might be less backlash. Do we know what the potential consequences would be if a club ignored the rule? I'm not aware of any other leagues that have a minimum pricing policy so not sure it will be the same scenario. There's no amount stated in the fines tariff so they'll just make it up as they go along. And here's me thinking rules were rules. Like yourself used to point out to folk in the past. But hey nevermind eh.
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