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Post by windy1970 on May 6, 2024 21:11:01 GMT
I’ve mentioned previously that I like to see well supported clubs fighting for the promotion places. I know it doesn’t always mean that a decent support equals a decent football team. But in order the following NL1 clubs with over 300+ average fan base. 1) Whitley Bay 2) Shildon 3) Guisborough Town 4) Crook Town 5) Redcar Athletic As with Heaton Stan, I assume Newcastle BS’s fan base will increase when they’re promoted(as I’ve mentioned elsewhere I believe that they’re already promoted). So they may be added to the list, but as with Stan will need time to get accustomed to the higher level. So by your reckoning. Birtley Town and West Aukland don’t deserve the right to promotion because they don’t have 300 average crowds ? What an absolute load of shite. Maybe approach Mat Edkins with your proposal. Would you apply this at the bottom end of the table aswel, meaning Brandon and Washington stay up and Newcastle Uni go down? I didn’t say any club was more or less deserving of promotion. I believe that well supported clubs have more chance of being sustainable at step 4 and above. Crowds bring in money, whether that’s from their own pockets or the fact that sponsors will take into mind the fact that more punters are going to see their adverts. In general better supported clubs come from larger towns or cities. I’m sure Birtley and West will both be aiming to get more punters through the gates and take advantage of those benefits and opportunities. The step up from step 5 to step 4 is a big jump and you’ve got to be able to develop your ground to be able to stay at the new level. So called smaller clubs can have great seasons and win leagues and promotion, but how long are they able to sustain this. Without taking umbrage, I hope you can give a decent answer and be able to argue the point if you disagree!
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Post by ian on May 7, 2024 9:34:49 GMT
I’ve mentioned previously that I like to see well supported clubs fighting for the promotion places. I know it doesn’t always mean that a decent support equals a decent football team. But in order the following NL1 clubs with over 300+ average fan base. 1) Whitley Bay 2) Shildon 3) Guisborough Town 4) Crook Town 5) Redcar Athletic As with Heaton Stan, I assume Newcastle BS’s fan base will increase when they’re promoted(as I’ve mentioned elsewhere I believe that they’re already promoted). So they may be added to the list, but as with Stan will need time to get accustomed to the higher level. So by your reckoning. Birtley Town and West Aukland don’t deserve the right to promotion because they don’t have 300 average crowds ? What an absolute load of shite. Maybe approach Mat Edkins with your proposal. Would you apply this at the bottom end of the table aswel, meaning Brandon and Washington stay up and Newcastle Uni go down?
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Post by ian on May 7, 2024 9:35:46 GMT
Windy said 'I’ve mentioned previously that I like to see well supported clubs fighting for the promotion places.' that is his opinion not an insult
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Post by ian on May 7, 2024 9:36:49 GMT
That’s your opinion . I think it’s worst post this year, Are you not on the wrong forum btw. No forum is the wrong forum. Plus I need to keep you all in check down here! lol
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Post by eastdurhamhopper on May 7, 2024 9:59:19 GMT
Good club up at Heaton, The ground does need quite a bit of work i would think but i think they should be able to get it done.
If they are being honest i think promotion has probably came a season or 2 too soon but fair play to them.
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Post by wacker on May 7, 2024 10:28:02 GMT
Well done to Heaton , glad to see the back of them..in a nice way. Northallerton have never beaten them in the league, so were our boggy team.
Id take the attendance guide with a pinch of salt. At least 2 of those clubs mentioned with good attendances add on season ticket regardless, so are way over quoting who is actually there
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Post by rodentcatcher on May 7, 2024 11:02:08 GMT
Well done to Heaton , glad to see the back of them..in a nice way. Northallerton have never beaten them in the league, so were our boggy team. Id take the attendance guide with a pinch of salt. At least 2 of those clubs mentioned with good attendances add on season ticket regardless, so are way over quoting who is actually there Your last point is correct. Quite large differences between quoted attendances and actual attendances for Shildon and Crook being the most obvious. You can probably take 100 off their averages which will give you a more realistic gauge. Redcar to some degree also.
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Post by jambon on May 7, 2024 11:30:42 GMT
I’ve mentioned previously that I like to see well supported clubs fighting for the promotion places. I know it doesn’t always mean that a decent support equals a decent football team. But in order the following NL1 clubs with over 300+ average fan base. 1) Whitley Bay 2) Shildon 3) Guisborough Town 4) Crook Town 5) Redcar Athletic As with Heaton Stan, I assume Newcastle BS’s fan base will increase when they’re promoted(as I’ve mentioned elsewhere I believe that they’re already promoted). So they may be added to the list, but as with Stan will need time to get accustomed to the higher level. Heard Potter wants to go back to Bishop Potter??
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Post by windy1970 on May 7, 2024 19:59:52 GMT
Well done to Heaton , glad to see the back of them..in a nice way. Northallerton have never beaten them in the league, so were our boggy team. Id take the attendance guide with a pinch of salt. At least 2 of those clubs mentioned with good attendances add on season ticket regardless, so are way over quoting who is actually there Your last point is correct. Quite large differences between quoted attendances and actual attendances for Shildon and Crook being the most obvious. You can probably take 100 off their averages which will give you a more realistic gauge. Redcar to some degree also. It’s not just support base that’s important to sustain a club at a higher level, it’s also the facilities and the ability to develop those in a sustainable way. I’m sure most would agree that a ground with its own clubhouse and associated teams at every age level. Is more sustainable than a sugar daddy moving a club to a cage, with no clubhouse and only his money and ego to keep the club going.
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Post by j on May 7, 2024 20:03:46 GMT
I understand Windy's point and didn't take it as an insult to clubs with smaller crowds.
More importantly though, can we get ratboy banned from paying on this forum now, as his spamming and trolling got tedious a long time ago.
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Post by sikirk on May 7, 2024 20:36:01 GMT
I understand Wendy's point and didn't take it as an insult to clubs with smaller crowds. More importantly though, can we get ratboy banned from paying on this forum now, as his spamming and trolling got tedious a long time ago. Think he will be off to the northern premier section now
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Post by bigcbeat1 on May 7, 2024 21:57:25 GMT
Your last point is correct. Quite large differences between quoted attendances and actual attendances for Shildon and Crook being the most obvious. You can probably take 100 off their averages which will give you a more realistic gauge. Redcar to some degree also. It’s not just support base that’s important to sustain a club at a higher level, it’s also the facilities and the ability to develop those in a sustainable way. I’m sure most would agree that a ground with its own clubhouse and associated teams at every age level. Is more sustainable than a sugar daddy moving a club to a cage, with no clubhouse and only his money and ego to keep the club going. This is the point I was trying to get across revenue is massive but better when it’s revenue earned . We don’t depend on donors or sugar daddy’s. We owe nothing money wise to anyone . Around 30 junior sides and 4 senior , We averaged around 250 last season which went up from 200 once we got promoted . For a small town that’s good numbers. We like to try and improve the facilities year on year. Small steps come good in the long run.
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Post by windy1970 on May 8, 2024 3:58:52 GMT
It’s not just support base that’s important to sustain a club at a higher level, it’s also the facilities and the ability to develop those in a sustainable way. I’m sure most would agree that a ground with its own clubhouse and associated teams at every age level. Is more sustainable than a sugar daddy moving a club to a cage, with no clubhouse and only his money and ego to keep the club going. This is the point I was trying to get across revenue is massive but better when it’s revenue earned . We don’t depend on donors or sugar daddy’s. We owe nothing money wise to anyone . Around 30 junior sides and 4 senior , We averaged around 250 last season which went up from 200 once we got promoted . For a small town that’s good numbers. We like to try and improve the facilities year on year. Small steps come good in the long run. Could you afford to compete at the higher level though? With the extra costs for better standard players, travel and ground development. Every club has a natural level and since automatic promotion, northeastern clubs are finding that level. Yours might ultimately be step 4, but it might be where you are right now and it’s better for clubs to be competitive at their level than to do a Marske and watch it all fall to pieces.
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Post by jambon on May 8, 2024 5:13:17 GMT
I understand Wendy's point and didn't take it as an insult to clubs with smaller crowds. More importantly though, can we get ratboy banned from paying on this forum now, as his spamming and trolling got tedious a long time ago. banned? For what ? Having an option? Cancel culture at its finest .if you don't like what you see don't look .
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Post by townypride on May 8, 2024 8:08:25 GMT
This is the point I was trying to get across revenue is massive but better when it’s revenue earned . We don’t depend on donors or sugar daddy’s. We owe nothing money wise to anyone . Around 30 junior sides and 4 senior , We averaged around 250 last season which went up from 200 once we got promoted . For a small town that’s good numbers. We like to try and improve the facilities year on year. Small steps come good in the long run. Could you afford to compete at the higher level though? With the extra costs for better standard players, travel and ground development. Every club has a natural level and since automatic promotion, northeastern clubs are finding that level. Yours might ultimately be step 4, but it might be where you are right now and it’s better for clubs to be competitive at their level than to do a Marske and watch it all fall to pieces. Only 3 teams averaged over 500 in the NPL East last season Stockton 754, Ashington 512, North Ferriby 503, Belper averaged 498. Six teams averaged between 3-400 7 teams between 2-300 and 3 teams with an average below 200. Curiously Newton Aycliffe average 191 and Carlton 187 finished 7th and 5th. North Ferriby Average 503 finished 8th which was 8 points off the play off positions and 21 points off the top spot. It would appear that having massive attendances although desirable is no guarantee of success and that what maybe deemed low attendances would mean failure. Birtley averaged 254 last season and West Auckland 197 I think that they would have had every chance of doing well in the NPLE. www.footballwebpages.co.uk/northern-premier-league-east-division/attendances
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