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Post by england on Feb 17, 2024 13:51:20 GMT
Can't stand them hubs. Spoke with people at Sunderland West End who hate it where they are. One is getting built in Billingham in the next 2 years. Not for me. I want no part of a club playing at one of them soulless spots. I don't mind the 4g pitches with grounds around them like what Stockton Town/Morpeth Town and plenty of other teams have, the hubs probably need a change for sure but how to change them? I have no idea - i would love to know what people think these hubs need to make them less soulless Suppose they need to be owned by the clubs so that they can invest in them, make them more spectator friendly etc, with clubhouses and snack huts. At the moment they are there for community use, ticking a box for ground grading and generating income.
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Post by sikirk on Feb 17, 2024 20:34:44 GMT
Can't stand them hubs. Spoke with people at Sunderland West End who hate it where they are. One is getting built in Billingham in the next 2 years. Not for me. I want no part of a club playing at one of them soulless spots. Whilst the hubs have there faults would a one in billingham not be a way of getting synthonia back to the town?
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Feb 17, 2024 23:24:16 GMT
Can't stand them hubs. Spoke with people at Sunderland West End who hate it where they are. One is getting built in Billingham in the next 2 years. Not for me. I want no part of a club playing at one of them soulless spots. I don't mind the 4g pitches with grounds around them like what Stockton Town/Morpeth Town and plenty of other teams have, the hubs probably need a change for sure but how to change them? I have no idea - i would love to know what people think these hubs need to make them less soulless Made to look like a football ground would be a good start. You can watch west end games from the car park. Been to Penrith today, that looks like a ground . Fa should be putting these pitches into more clubs facilities, particularly clubs with lots of junior, girls teams and seniors instead and of putting 4/5 pitches in cages next to each other making them a cash cow for the local authority while charging scandalous prices and draining clubs finances to the point they can’t carry on.
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Post by jambon on Feb 18, 2024 7:39:20 GMT
I don't mind the 4g pitches with grounds around them like what Stockton Town/Morpeth Town and plenty of other teams have, the hubs probably need a change for sure but how to change them? I have no idea - i would love to know what people think these hubs need to make them less soulless Made to look like a football ground would be a good start. You can watch west end games from the car park. Been to Penrith today, that looks like a ground . Fa should be putting these pitches into more clubs facilities, particularly clubs with lots of junior, girls teams and seniors instead and of putting 4/5 pitches in cages next to each other making them a cash cow for the local authority while charging scandalous prices and draining clubs finances to the point they can’t carry on. Totally agree 👍 can't argue with that !
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Feb 18, 2024 12:53:00 GMT
Having been to Penrith yesterday have to say yes it’s as artificial pitch but it’s built into a football ground. Really looks excellent imo. No multi markings as they use flat cones to mark smaller pitches out . Makes me get off the fence and really makes me think what if. No paying massively over the top prices for our 4 senior teams Ladies included. 20 odd junior girls and boys teams. The savings on winter training would more than provide the money required to maintain and replace when necessary. Penrith still feels and looks like a stadium. Not anywhere near resembles a cage like the awful hubs
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Post by kentrebel on Feb 18, 2024 13:45:40 GMT
Two points to remember, firstly while you may get a grant to partially cover initial installation of 4G this is unlikely to be repeated when it comes to renewal (which can be needed as soon as after 7 years) and secondly, the first club in an area to install may sweep up local clubs and schools/colleges for bookings but subsequent installations will be in competition for these.
My club was the first in its area but others have followed thus leading to a reduction in what we an charge for use of it. We do however do good business in the clubhouse from parents watching their little darlings using the facility.
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Feb 18, 2024 14:21:41 GMT
Two points to remember, firstly while you may get a grant to partially cover initial installation of 4G this is unlikely to be repeated when it comes to renewal (which can be needed as soon as after 7 years) and secondly, the first club in an area to install may sweep up local clubs and schools/colleges for bookings but subsequent installations will be in competition for these. My club was the first in its area but others have followed thus leading to a reduction in what we an charge for use of it. We do however do good business in the clubhouse from parents watching their little darlings using the facility. Yes I know it’s a lot of money to find and we haven’t even started looking into it . I was just saying that from being dead against it I’m seeing now the benifits of having one after talking to the Penrith volunteers yesterday .
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Post by JayTheSynner on Feb 18, 2024 17:14:27 GMT
Can't stand them hubs. Spoke with people at Sunderland West End who hate it where they are. One is getting built in Billingham in the next 2 years. Not for me. I want no part of a club playing at one of them soulless spots. Whilst the hubs have there faults would a one in billingham not be a way of getting synthonia back to the town? Whilst that is true and the club needs to be back in its hometown, you still have to pay a bucket load of rent, you aren't allowed to put sponsorship boards up, you make next to nothing in the 'clubhouse' facility that will be installed for the whole facility to use and I very much doubt you can play any music to get the prematch vibe going. You wont be able to make any improvements and put your own touch on the place. Having your own 3/4G is whats needed, so you can rent it out and earn money from it and by having your own clubhouse where you can also put functions on. It all just means you have to bust your gut every summer praying sponsors come on board and its hard work these days. I am not a fan of the hubs at all.
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Post by JayTheSynner on Feb 18, 2024 17:20:15 GMT
I don't mind the 4g pitches with grounds around them like what Stockton Town/Morpeth Town and plenty of other teams have, the hubs probably need a change for sure but how to change them? I have no idea - i would love to know what people think these hubs need to make them less soulless Made to look like a football ground would be a good start. You can watch west end games from the car park. Been to Penrith today, that looks like a ground . Fa should be putting these pitches into more clubs facilities, particularly clubs with lots of junior, girls teams and seniors instead and of putting 4/5 pitches in cages next to each other making them a cash cow for the local authority while charging scandalous prices and draining clubs finances to the point they can’t carry on. Fully agree. Penrith is the perfect example of something I would love for Synners
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Post by townypride on Feb 18, 2024 18:10:22 GMT
Made to look like a football ground would be a good start. You can watch west end games from the car park. Been to Penrith today, that looks like a ground . Fa should be putting these pitches into more clubs facilities, particularly clubs with lots of junior, girls teams and seniors instead and of putting 4/5 pitches in cages next to each other making them a cash cow for the local authority while charging scandalous prices and draining clubs finances to the point they can’t carry on. Fully agree. Penrith is the perfect example of something I would love for Synners Jay I was under the impression that Stokesley was having a 4g put down originally for this season but had been put back until next is that still the case ir has it been dropped.
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Post by JayTheSynner on Feb 18, 2024 18:45:30 GMT
Fully agree. Penrith is the perfect example of something I would love for Synners Jay I was under the impression that Stokesley was having a 4g put down originally for this season but had been put back until next is that still the case ir has it been dropped. Still the case mate, it was supposed to be done the summer just gone but it didn't happen. It's the North Riding FA who are getting it installed and will own it, Stokesley Sports Club have first dibs on the pitch to use I believe.
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Post by thejigsaw on Feb 19, 2024 9:14:54 GMT
From a players point of view, I hated playing on 4G pitches (hub or not). It's really just not the same.
From an injury perspective, you've got weigh up a few things.
Maintenance - these pitches aren't just a put it down and it'll be fine for 10years. They need the crumb topped up, brushed and cleaned otherwise they're far more dangerous. West Allotments 4G pitch up by the airport was horrific. Weather - when it's hot weather, 4G pitches go really "sticky" (my knees can vouch). Keepers - it was bad enough being a centre-half on these pitches, I'd hate to be throwing myself around them as a keeper. I'm not sure how much I buy into it but there's also the argument around the carcinogenic impact, which if true, is way worse for keepers. (Flip-side) - I bet as many people get injured playing 3 games per week throughout April and May on rock hard grass pitches than do in an entire season playing on 4G.
Like has been previously mentioned, give me a well-draining grass pitch (which can be watered in summer) than a plastic pitch any day of the week. I've no idea what replacing a grass pitch with plastic in situ would cost, but surely the cost is comparable to a quality drainage system? I suppose this is offset by the rental income/club atmosphere of having youth teams play/train in one location that you can achieve with a 4G pitch.
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Post by cestrian on Feb 19, 2024 9:24:50 GMT
I was surprised when Birtley "built" the ground at the bottom of the old AEI field. The bottom area has always flooded when there is heavy rain but the two pitches that used to be there higher up were never affected by the water as there is an upward slope from the lines. The pitch on the right as you come in the main gate was a wonderful surface to play on. I would suspect the pitch nearest the factory was a no go to build a ground with stands just wondered if one pitch / ground could have built in between the two old pitches which would have been well away from the floods that affect the low lying ground now.
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Feb 19, 2024 19:18:52 GMT
I was surprised when Birtley "built" the ground at the bottom of the old AEI field. The bottom area has always flooded when there is heavy rain but the two pitches that used to be there higher up were never affected by the water as there is an upward slope from the lines. The pitch on the right as you come in the main gate was a wonderful surface to play on. I would suspect the pitch nearest the factory was a no go to build a ground with stands just wondered if one pitch / ground could have built in between the two old pitches which would have been well away from the floods that affect the low lying ground now. You have a valid point. I wasn’t involved with the decision. Personally I would have considered Birtley Welfare which I believe was mentioned at the time . Whoever put the drainage on the main pitch laid the drainage ran it into the beck but below the maximum height the beck reaches when heavy rain comes . Hopefully we can remedy that in the summer
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Post by cestrian on Feb 20, 2024 9:03:01 GMT
I think there might have been problems getting floodlights up at the welfare but used to like playing there as well. Hope the drainage is sorted in the summer
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