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Post by j on Jan 29, 2024 23:07:08 GMT
Hasn’t the competition weakened since the advent of the pyramid and automatic promotion. Surely the greatest Northern League club is subjective? Has a team won every single competition they’ve entered! Personally I think we’re looking at the last few seasons of the old NL. Within 3 seasons I don’t think we’ll see any of the former so called big clubs remaining in the NL1. We might get a couple of Marske style strugglers returning to the fold. But we won’t see 2 NL clubs facing off in the Vase final again. So in my opinion if Bishop Auckland wins all their remaining games, it’ll be to do with the fact that the league is nowhere near as competitive or as strong as it used to be. Summed up perfectly. Whilst it's true that you can only beat what's in front of your, the league is a shadow of it's former self and whilst the prize remains the same there's no denying that winning the league a decade ago was a far greater achievement.
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Post by varsoar on Jan 30, 2024 7:48:10 GMT
And now that promotion is enforced, the league may be a shadow of its former self (and it is) but at least it's now how it should be. We may not see two sides from this league facing off against each other in the Vase final, but as a national competition that's better for this level on the whole. Bishop Auckland FC are the best team in the league and if it stays that way should then go up to succeed/fail at a higher level. That's as it should be. The league may not be the standard it was, but that's because it's now an active part of the pyramid and not full of teams having yet another bash at a trip to Wembley and all being home for tea.
It may not suit everybody, and long term lovers of the Northern League were more than happy with the situation as it was, but I always hated the fact that the league champions would be still in the league next season - with too few exceptions. "Can't afford to go up" was often the cry - and in many cases the bold truth as clubs would have been overstretched with the wage bill as it was and unable to pay for additional travel.
I think that Windy is right and we are seeing the last of the old Northern League and 3 seasons will see it changed forever. But at least it'll have naturally found its level.
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Post by england on Jan 30, 2024 9:39:16 GMT
And now that promotion is enforced, the league may be a shadow of its former self (and it is) but at least it's now how it should be. We may not see two sides from this league facing off against each other in the Vase final, but as a national competition that's better for this level on the whole. Bishop Auckland FC are the best team in the league and if it stays that way should then go up to succeed/fail at a higher level. That's as it should be. The league may not be the standard it was, but that's because it's now an active part of the pyramid and not full of teams having yet another bash at a trip to Wembley and all being home for tea. It may not suit everybody, and long term lovers of the Northern League were more than happy with the situation as it was, but I always hated the fact that the league champions would be still in the league next season - with too few exceptions. "Can't afford to go up" was often the cry - and in many cases the bold truth as clubs would have been overstretched with the wage bill as it was and unable to pay for additional travel. I think that Windy is right and we are seeing the last of the old Northern League and 3 seasons will see it changed forever. But at least it'll have naturally found its level. Agree with most of this, actually think the league is better now. It’s more competitive rather than some of the top teams bringing touchable
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Post by sikirk on Jan 30, 2024 11:22:13 GMT
And now that promotion is enforced, the league may be a shadow of its former self (and it is) but at least it's now how it should be. We may not see two sides from this league facing off against each other in the Vase final, but as a national competition that's better for this level on the whole. Bishop Auckland FC are the best team in the league and if it stays that way should then go up to succeed/fail at a higher level. That's as it should be. The league may not be the standard it was, but that's because it's now an active part of the pyramid and not full of teams having yet another bash at a trip to Wembley and all being home for tea. It may not suit everybody, and long term lovers of the Northern League were more than happy with the situation as it was, but I always hated the fact that the league champions would be still in the league next season - with too few exceptions. "Can't afford to go up" was often the cry - and in many cases the bold truth as clubs would have been overstretched with the wage bill as it was and unable to pay for additional travel. I think that Windy is right and we are seeing the last of the old Northern League and 3 seasons will see it changed forever. But at least it'll have naturally found its level. Good post. It was always debatable whether clubs could afford promotion or not or whether they simply wanted to be big fish in a small pond, bedlington was a prime example of this. I also wonder if promotion was not mandatory how many would have gone up
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Post by jambon on Jan 30, 2024 12:03:50 GMT
And now that promotion is enforced, the league may be a shadow of its former self (and it is) but at least it's now how it should be. We may not see two sides from this league facing off against each other in the Vase final, but as a national competition that's better for this level on the whole. Bishop Auckland FC are the best team in the league and if it stays that way should then go up to succeed/fail at a higher level. That's as it should be. The league may not be the standard it was, but that's because it's now an active part of the pyramid and not full of teams having yet another bash at a trip to Wembley and all being home for tea. It may not suit everybody, and long term lovers of the Northern League were more than happy with the situation as it was, but I always hated the fact that the league champions would be still in the league next season - with too few exceptions. "Can't afford to go up" was often the cry - and in many cases the bold truth as clubs would have been overstretched with the wage bill as it was and unable to pay for additional travel. I think that Windy is right and we are seeing the last of the old Northern League and 3 seasons will see it changed forever. But at least it'll have naturally found its level. Totally and utterly disagree with everything you have said !
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Post by varsoar on Jan 30, 2024 12:25:01 GMT
And now that promotion is enforced, the league may be a shadow of its former self (and it is) but at least it's now how it should be. We may not see two sides from this league facing off against each other in the Vase final, but as a national competition that's better for this level on the whole. Bishop Auckland FC are the best team in the league and if it stays that way should then go up to succeed/fail at a higher level. That's as it should be. The league may not be the standard it was, but that's because it's now an active part of the pyramid and not full of teams having yet another bash at a trip to Wembley and all being home for tea. It may not suit everybody, and long term lovers of the Northern League were more than happy with the situation as it was, but I always hated the fact that the league champions would be still in the league next season - with too few exceptions. "Can't afford to go up" was often the cry - and in many cases the bold truth as clubs would have been overstretched with the wage bill as it was and unable to pay for additional travel. I think that Windy is right and we are seeing the last of the old Northern League and 3 seasons will see it changed forever. But at least it'll have naturally found its level. Totally and utterly disagree with everything you have said ! I'd have been disappointed if you did agree with me
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Post by Terrierdave on Jan 30, 2024 12:34:44 GMT
Marske, South Shields, Spennymoor, Darlington, Durham all reached 100 points in recent years but all played between 42 and 46 games per season. Nobody has reached 100 points per season from 38 games. www.tonykempster.co.uk/archive98-99/nl1.htm
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Post by windy1970 on Jan 30, 2024 12:42:25 GMT
Marske, South Shields, Spennymoor, Darlington, Durham all reached 100 points in recent years but all played between 42 and 46 games per season. Nobody has reached 100 points per season from 38 games. www.tonykempster.co.uk/archive98-99/nl1.htmStop making a point with facts lol
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Post by sikirk on Jan 30, 2024 13:12:13 GMT
Marske, South Shields, Spennymoor, Darlington, Durham all reached 100 points in recent years but all played between 42 and 46 games per season. Nobody has reached 100 points per season from 38 games. www.tonykempster.co.uk/archive98-99/nl1.htmGood bit of info. Tow law second, how times change
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Post by j on Jan 30, 2024 15:02:28 GMT
The league may not be the standard it was, but that's because it's now an active part of the pyramid and not full of teams having yet another bash at a trip to Wembley and all being home for tea. It may not suit everybody, and long term lovers of the Northern League were more than happy with the situation as it was, but I always hated the fact that the league champions would be still in the league next season - with too few exceptions. "Can't afford to go up" was often the cry - and in many cases the bold truth as clubs would have been overstretched with the wage bill as it was and unable to pay for additional travel. I think that Windy is right and we are seeing the last of the old Northern League and 3 seasons will see it changed forever. But at least it'll have naturally found its level. I suspect other than the odd blinkered Bishop clown everyone will agree with what you posted, the above in particular rings true. I think a few clubs had their heads turned by the success that Whitley Bay had in the Vase and wanted some of that for themselves before they went up. Meanwhile of course Bay rested on their laurels and stagnated whilst all around them clubs they'd beaten on the way to those trophies progressed up the pyramid and left the Vase behind forever. I've heard the Northern Leagues as is now described as relegation by stealth, and that's effectively what remaining in the division has become for those teams who want to remain a big fish in an ever diminishing pond. There'll be a club or two in 5-10 years time that used to take playing Spenny/Morpeth/Consett et al every season for granted who apparently suddenly finds themselves playing Northern Alliance/Wearside teams forever instead without ever leaving the Northern League (and as long as they can be home from an away game in time to watch Strictly on a Saturday night some players/others/fans won't care tbf).
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Post by windy1970 on Jan 30, 2024 17:49:35 GMT
The league may not be the standard it was, but that's because it's now an active part of the pyramid and not full of teams having yet another bash at a trip to Wembley and all being home for tea. It may not suit everybody, and long term lovers of the Northern League were more than happy with the situation as it was, but I always hated the fact that the league champions would be still in the league next season - with too few exceptions. "Can't afford to go up" was often the cry - and in many cases the bold truth as clubs would have been overstretched with the wage bill as it was and unable to pay for additional travel. I think that Windy is right and we are seeing the last of the old Northern League and 3 seasons will see it changed forever. But at least it'll have naturally found its level. I suspect other than the odd blinkered Bishop clown everyone will agree with what you posted, the above in particular rings true. I think a few clubs had their heads turned by the success that Whitley Bay had in the Vase and wanted some of that for themselves before they went up. Meanwhile of course Bay rested on their laurels and stagnated whilst all around them clubs they'd beaten on the way to those trophies progressed up the pyramid and left the Vase behind forever. I've heard the Northern Leagues as is now described as relegation by stealth, and that's effectively what remaining in the division has become for those teams who want to remain a big fish in an ever diminishing pond. There'll be a club or two in 5-10 years time that used to take playing Spenny/Morpeth/Consett et al every season for granted who apparently suddenly finds themselves playing Northern Alliance/Wearside teams forever instead without ever leaving the Northern League (and as long as they can be home from an away game in time to watch Strictly on a Saturday night some players/others/fans won't care tbf). Don’t forget the North Riding teams. In my opinion, there’s more chance that there’ll be more NRL teams looking to progress than NAL teams. The WL will always dominate with the most ambitious teams in the area.
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Post by hoopy on Feb 2, 2024 9:28:24 GMT
I suspect other than the odd blinkered Bishop clown everyone will agree with what you posted, the above in particular rings true. I think a few clubs had their heads turned by the success that Whitley Bay had in the Vase and wanted some of that for themselves before they went up. Meanwhile of course Bay rested on their laurels and stagnated whilst all around them clubs they'd beaten on the way to those trophies progressed up the pyramid and left the Vase behind forever. I've heard the Northern Leagues as is now described as relegation by stealth, and that's effectively what remaining in the division has become for those teams who want to remain a big fish in an ever diminishing pond. There'll be a club or two in 5-10 years time that used to take playing Spenny/Morpeth/Consett et al every season for granted who apparently suddenly finds themselves playing Northern Alliance/Wearside teams forever instead without ever leaving the Northern League (and as long as they can be home from an away game in time to watch Strictly on a Saturday night some players/others/fans won't care tbf). Don’t forget the North Riding teams. In my opinion, there’s more chance that there’ll be more NRL teams looking to progress than NAL teams. The WL will always dominate with the most ambitious teams in the area. There are ambitious teams coming through the Alliance. Most notably Newbiggin, whose ground is starting to be built (yes built, and in the village, rather than groundsharing miles away) soon I believe. They've stated they want to be a Northern League team, and they will be within 3 years at most.
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Post by mut on Feb 2, 2024 17:50:16 GMT
Hasn’t the competition weakened since the advent of the pyramid and automatic promotion. Surely the greatest Northern League club is subjective? Has a team won every single competition they’ve entered! Personally I think we’re looking at the last few seasons of the old NL. Within 3 seasons I don’t think we’ll see any of the former so called big clubs remaining in the NL1. We might get a couple of Marske style strugglers returning to the fold. But we won’t see 2 NL clubs facing off in the Vase final again. So in my opinion if Bishop Auckland wins all their remaining games, it’ll be to do with the fact that the league is nowhere near as competitive or as strong as it used to be. Summed up perfectly. Whilst it's true that you can only beat what's in front of your, the league is a shadow of it's former self and whilst the prize remains the same there's no denying that winning the league a decade ago was a far greater achievement. Maybes it was.however there is a possibility that those champions,Darlington Spennymoor may only be one division above thisyears champions.having spent millions more on wages for the privelage
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Feb 2, 2024 22:47:50 GMT
Don’t forget the North Riding teams. In my opinion, there’s more chance that there’ll be more NRL teams looking to progress than NAL teams. The WL will always dominate with the most ambitious teams in the area. There are ambitious teams coming through the Alliance. Most notably Newbiggin, whose ground is starting to be built (yes built, and in the village, rather than groundsharing miles away) soon I believe. They've stated they want to be a Northern League team, and they will be within 3 years at most. I know Simon at Newbiggin , Your spot on Hoopy they are aiming for the Nl I for one believe they will make it in the 3 years. Ponteland Utd are also looking progress .
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Post by windy1970 on Feb 3, 2024 5:06:53 GMT
There are ambitious teams coming through the Alliance. Most notably Newbiggin, whose ground is starting to be built (yes built, and in the village, rather than groundsharing miles away) soon I believe. They've stated they want to be a Northern League team, and they will be within 3 years at most. I know Simon at Newbiggin , Your spot on Hoopy they are aiming for the Nl I for one believe they will make it in the 3 years. Ponteland Utd are also looking progress . There’s also Cramlington and Burradon & New Fordley with ambitions. Sometimes clubs ambitions crash and burn, like Killingworth spectacularly did with off field issues. Sometimes clubs just can’t afford to develop their grounds and other times there’s planning issues. But in my opinion all the clubs are years off from ever being in a position to even consider applying for promotion. Good luck to them all though.
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