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Post by mut on Jan 7, 2024 22:04:06 GMT
Scrap them then!
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Jan 7, 2024 22:21:57 GMT
Cant help thinking best route would be to allow clubs that don’t want to play in the cups should be given the choice to play or withdraw. Especially the Durham Challenge Cup . Fine for not entering is quite a sum . It’s not a bad idea, just not sure many would be brave enough to withdraw. Also I’m sure everyone would want to be involved at the start of the season, but when games haven’t been played for a few months, then opinions may change. We wouldn’t but some would
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Post by england on Jan 7, 2024 22:32:20 GMT
Just like when the league introduced the mini league format to try and give clubs more opportunity to make money. Proved to be a disaster than nobody wanted, but when it was raised at the league meeting, nobody said a thing!
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Post by lovingnonleague on Jan 7, 2024 23:56:38 GMT
So to catch up on all this so called backlog of fixtures will the league deduct points and fine both Brandon and North Shields or will those games get rearranged. I'm sorry like but this league is an absolute shit show. You can't scrap cups because of a fixture pile up after giving two clubs a month to six weeks off. Its absolutely barking mad. Laughing stock.
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Post by sikirk on Jan 8, 2024 7:58:41 GMT
So to catch up on all this so called backlog of fixtures will the league deduct points and fine both Brandon and North Shields or will those games get rearranged. I'm sorry like but this league is an absolute shit show. You can't scrap cups because of a fixture pile up after giving two clubs a month to six weeks off. Its absolutely barking mad. Laughing stock. I think the teams who were meant to play n shields and brandon whilst they were out of action should be awarded a win, how on earth are both teams meant to complete all there fixtures by 20th of april bearing in mind we will no doubt see more games called off in the coming weeks due to bad weather.
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Post by hoopy on Jan 8, 2024 8:04:22 GMT
Problem here is if you play the cups as a pre season run out you'd have to have players signed on aye. Where as a normal pre season you can play whatever player you want when you want. So let's say a month before the league season starts roughly when every club has started there pre season friendlies if you then get the league to start the cups then every player you've got has to be signed on. When you look at the registrations before the season starts to see who's signing who usually a week before I'm guilty of it myself I like to see who's signed where a lot of clubs have maybe ten to a dozen signed on. Would clubs be happy having to sign maybe at least seventeen to twenty players four weeks before the league has actually started. Can league and county cups which lets face it are minor these days not use trialists? Wouldn't players signing on a few weeks earlier to play competitive games also increase costs. As they're playing cup games they'll want paid surely?
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Post by lovingnonleague on Jan 8, 2024 9:09:14 GMT
Can league and county cups which lets face it are minor these days not use trialists? Wouldn't players signing on a few weeks earlier to play competitive games also increase costs. As they're playing cup games they'll want paid surely? Of course there's that aswell.
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Post by cornishpasty on Jan 8, 2024 10:25:12 GMT
Has anyone, including the league, thought about the impact on the clubs who aren't challenging for the league/promotion
Many clubs use these competitions to give young players, fringe players the chance to prove themselves. Also sponsors/backers add finance to some clubs on a run in these competitions. Many supporters, ground hoppers actually enjoy these games, some it gives a chance to see something rather than the norm.
A terrible decision which hasn't been thought through imo. If a club "doesn't" want to play a fixture/round of these cups they should be allowed to forfeit and let those who do, with nothing else to play for carry on.
Many clubs now have nothing to play for how on earth does this benefit them?
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Post by rodentcatcher on Jan 8, 2024 10:41:54 GMT
Has anyone, including the league, thought about the impact on the clubs who aren't challenging for the league/promotion Many clubs use these competitions to give young players, fringe players the chance to prove themselves. Also sponsors/backers add finance to some clubs on a run in these competitions. Many supporters, ground hoppers actually enjoy these games, some it gives a chance to see something rather than the norm. A terrible decision which hasn't been thought through imo. If a club "doesn't" want to play a fixture/round of these cups they should be allowed to forfeit and let those who do, with nothing else to play for carry on. Many clubs now have nothing to play for how on earth does this benefit them? Sensible point.
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Post by england on Jan 8, 2024 11:47:56 GMT
Has anyone, including the league, thought about the impact on the clubs who aren't challenging for the league/promotion Many clubs use these competitions to give young players, fringe players the chance to prove themselves. Also sponsors/backers add finance to some clubs on a run in these competitions. Many supporters, ground hoppers actually enjoy these games, some it gives a chance to see something rather than the norm. A terrible decision which hasn't been thought through imo. If a club "doesn't" want to play a fixture/round of these cups they should be allowed to forfeit and let those who do, with nothing else to play for carry on. Many clubs now have nothing to play for how on earth does this benefit them? Makes sense but yes I’d think all those things have been thought about. Even taking all that in to consideration I’m guessing they feel that the league comes first. Also in terms of numbers, previous attendance figures show that the appetite is generally not there.
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Post by cornishpasty on Jan 8, 2024 12:05:33 GMT
Has anyone, including the league, thought about the impact on the clubs who aren't challenging for the league/promotion Many clubs use these competitions to give young players, fringe players the chance to prove themselves. Also sponsors/backers add finance to some clubs on a run in these competitions. Many supporters, ground hoppers actually enjoy these games, some it gives a chance to see something rather than the norm. A terrible decision which hasn't been thought through imo. If a club "doesn't" want to play a fixture/round of these cups they should be allowed to forfeit and let those who do, with nothing else to play for carry on. Many clubs now have nothing to play for how on earth does this benefit them? Makes sense but yes I’d think all those things have been thought about. Even taking all that in to consideration I’m guessing they feel that the league comes first. Also in terms of numbers, previous attendance figures show that the appetite is generally not there. It does for some clubs England yes but as I said its those not challenging for the league or promotion, the majority, that this effects. No one can tell me if a club go on a decent cup run, quarters, semis, final they dont get people through the gate?
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Post by Neil on Jan 8, 2024 12:15:25 GMT
Has anyone, including the league, thought about the impact on the clubs who aren't challenging for the league/promotion Many clubs use these competitions to give young players, fringe players the chance to prove themselves. Also sponsors/backers add finance to some clubs on a run in these competitions. Many supporters, ground hoppers actually enjoy these games, some it gives a chance to see something rather than the norm. A terrible decision which hasn't been thought through imo. If a club "doesn't" want to play a fixture/round of these cups they should be allowed to forfeit and let those who do, with nothing else to play for carry on. Many clubs now have nothing to play for how on earth does this benefit them? I'd guess the majority of clubs couldn't care less about these two cups. Most clubs will make very little financially and for many, it'll be a loss maker. I've never understood the 'nothing to play for' comment when it comes to League games. Most clubs know they aren't going to win the league, does that make their entire League season pointless?
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Post by cornishpasty on Jan 8, 2024 12:23:34 GMT
Has anyone, including the league, thought about the impact on the clubs who aren't challenging for the league/promotion Many clubs use these competitions to give young players, fringe players the chance to prove themselves. Also sponsors/backers add finance to some clubs on a run in these competitions. Many supporters, ground hoppers actually enjoy these games, some it gives a chance to see something rather than the norm. A terrible decision which hasn't been thought through imo. If a club "doesn't" want to play a fixture/round of these cups they should be allowed to forfeit and let those who do, with nothing else to play for carry on. Many clubs now have nothing to play for how on earth does this benefit them? I'd guess the majority of clubs couldn't care less about these two cups. Most clubs will make very little financially and for many, it'll be a loss maker. I've never understood the 'nothing to play for' comment when it comes to League games. Most clubs know they aren't going to win the league, does that make their entire League season pointless? It depends on the club really. I'm thinking more about the young players, fringe players who now just wont play, what happens to them now, dumped, go to play at a lower level? These players need to learn the game at this level Clubs Ive been involved in, players I've spoken too, a lot are gutted about the decision. Why not as Ive said give the individual club the choice, or ask the clubs opinion, a vote, rather than just bludgeoning straight over the top of them. All clubs are different and have their own opinions, and should have been treat with the respect of having a say in this. Just my opinion and going off lots of feedback I've had
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Post by england on Jan 8, 2024 12:56:20 GMT
Makes sense but yes I’d think all those things have been thought about. Even taking all that in to consideration I’m guessing they feel that the league comes first. Also in terms of numbers, previous attendance figures show that the appetite is generally not there. It does for some clubs England yes but as I said its those not challenging for the league or promotion, the majority, that this effects. No one can tell me if a club go on a decent cup run, quarters, semis, final they dont get people through the gate? Sorry I don’t mean individual clubs, I mean the FA. The need to finish the league on a certain date as opposed to the things you mention. Of course some clubs may think differently as they don’t have the pressure from the FA. Decent cup runs will get better attendances, but the majority don’t get to have a decent run.
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Post by england on Jan 8, 2024 12:58:44 GMT
I'd guess the majority of clubs couldn't care less about these two cups. Most clubs will make very little financially and for many, it'll be a loss maker. I've never understood the 'nothing to play for' comment when it comes to League games. Most clubs know they aren't going to win the league, does that make their entire League season pointless? It depends on the club really. I'm thinking more about the young players, fringe players who now just wont play, what happens to them now, dumped, go to play at a lower level? These players need to learn the game at this level Clubs Ive been involved in, players I've spoken too, a lot are gutted about the decision. Why not as Ive said give the individual club the choice, or ask the clubs opinion, a vote, rather than just bludgeoning straight over the top of them. All clubs are different and have their own opinions, and should have been treat with the respect of having a say in this. Just my opinion and going off lots of feedback I've had Probably because this is about ensuring that spare dates are taken up by league games rather than cup games.
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