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Post by sikirk on Dec 20, 2023 21:05:51 GMT
The 'hot bed' of football as a generalization is probably the North West. Never has been the North East, not sure where that myth came from. We are a hotbed of football because our teams have amazing support and supporters and arguably the best English managers and footballers ever were born in the region. Charlton, Robson, Shearer, Gascoigne, Beardsley are just a few who would get in any England team of any time. Who would manage them? Revie? Robson? Paisley? Perhaps Clough? Little known fact…north east born managers lifted the first division championship trophy 15 times between 1960 and 1987. That’s over half of the titles over almost three decades. Anyway, at least you know why it’s not a myth, it’s the truth. Think this hotbed of football is long in the past, only one north east team won fa trophy, none have won a major trophy in 20 year, none have won the top league since what, the 1950s and currently there 0 teams from the region in league 1 and 2
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Post by handifan on Dec 20, 2023 22:56:42 GMT
We are a hotbed of football because our teams have amazing support and supporters and arguably the best English managers and footballers ever were born in the region. Charlton, Robson, Shearer, Gascoigne, Beardsley are just a few who would get in any England team of any time. Who would manage them? Revie? Robson? Paisley? Perhaps Clough? Little known fact…north east born managers lifted the first division championship trophy 15 times between 1960 and 1987. That’s over half of the titles over almost three decades. Anyway, at least you know why it’s not a myth, it’s the truth. Think this hotbed of football is long in the past, only one north east team won fa trophy, none have won a major trophy in 20 year, none have won the top league since what, the 1950s and currently there 0 teams from the region in league 1 and 2 I almost agree but some of what you say proves my point. Until recently football finances haven’t favoured the north east big three but even with zero success the north east clubs are still amongst the best supported given their populations. As another exercise, try naming an all time team and manager from any other region in the country that is better than the north east born team. Trust me, you can’t. Because the north east is simply best at football. Newcastle’s academy will start churning out talent after talent in 5-10 years time, you watch. Imagine if you could watch a team with the likes of Gazza, Beardsley, shearer, charltons, milburn, Hurley, Pallister, Hunter, (of bite your legs fame), waddle, Robson, Clough, maybe managed by Bob Paisley…. The population of greater Manchester is higher than T&W, Teesside, Durham and Northumberland combined. You will definitely not be able to name a better all time team from greater Manchester, or Merseyside, or Birmingham for that matter. London - I’m not so sure but that place is so huge and shouldn’t count.
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Post by sikirk on Dec 21, 2023 0:04:42 GMT
Think this hotbed of football is long in the past, only one north east team won fa trophy, none have won a major trophy in 20 year, none have won the top league since what, the 1950s and currently there 0 teams from the region in league 1 and 2 I almost agree but some of what you say proves my point. Until recently football finances haven’t favoured the north east big three but even with zero success the north east clubs are still amongst the best supported given their populations. As another exercise, try naming an all time team and manager from any other region in the country that is better than the north east born team. Trust me, you can’t. Because the north east is simply best at football. Newcastle’s academy will start churning out talent after talent in 5-10 years time, you watch. Imagine if you could watch a team with the likes of Gazza, Beardsley, shearer, charltons, milburn, Hurley, Pallister, Hunter, (of bite your legs fame), waddle, Robson, Clough, maybe managed by Bob Paisley…. The population of greater Manchester is higher than T&W, Teesside, Durham and Northumberland combined. You will definitely not be able to name a better all time team from greater Manchester, or Merseyside, or Birmingham for that matter. London - I’m not so sure but that place is so huge and shouldn’t count. Must admit some excellent youngsters in newcastle first team now like miley and anderson so the academy finally seems to be working there and yeah the big 3 are well supported even through bad times but sadly no trophy’s for them
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Post by varsoar on Dec 21, 2023 13:51:34 GMT
The 'hot bed' of football as a generalization is probably the North West. Never has been the North East, not sure where that myth came from. I've always hated the expression "hot bed" of football. I've had folk in the North West pat me on the shoulder and talk about how clubs in the North East "deserve more for their fans". The teams that deserve to win for the most part usually do. I've found it a bit patronising as if "plucky" North East teams do their best and should be given a special medal for their efforts. Maybe I'm just getting grumpy (or one of the other 6?) in my old age but it annoys me whenever I get into a conversation with people from other parts of the country and they start to tell me about how great our local fans are and should have more to show for it. Sometimes I think it's the solidarity from falling short that makes us more vocal. I've seen us lose fans when we start winning (true though )
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Post by jambon on Dec 21, 2023 14:28:54 GMT
The 'hot bed' of football as a generalization is probably the North West. Never has been the North East, not sure where that myth came from. I've always hated the expression "hot bed" of football. I've had folk in the North West pat me on the shoulder and talk about how clubs in the North East "deserve more for their fans". The teams that deserve to win for the most part usually do. I've found it a bit patronising as if "plucky" North East teams do their best and should be given a special medal for their efforts. Maybe I'm just getting grumpy (or one of the other 6?) in my old age but it annoys me whenever I get into a conversation with people from other parts of the country and they start to tell me about how great our local fans are and should have more to show for it. Sometimes I think it's the solidarity from falling short that makes us more vocal. I've seen us lose fans when we start winning (true though ) Totally disagree with both points!
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Post by varsoar on Dec 21, 2023 16:08:45 GMT
I've always hated the expression "hot bed" of football. I've had folk in the North West pat me on the shoulder and talk about how clubs in the North East "deserve more for their fans". The teams that deserve to win for the most part usually do. I've found it a bit patronising as if "plucky" North East teams do their best and should be given a special medal for their efforts. Maybe I'm just getting grumpy (or one of the other 6?) in my old age but it annoys me whenever I get into a conversation with people from other parts of the country and they start to tell me about how great our local fans are and should have more to show for it. Sometimes I think it's the solidarity from falling short that makes us more vocal. I've seen us lose fans when we start winning (true though ) Totally disagree with both points! To nobody's surprise hammy 🤣
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Dec 21, 2023 20:30:15 GMT
I've always hated the expression "hot bed" of football. I've had folk in the North West pat me on the shoulder and talk about how clubs in the North East "deserve more for their fans". The teams that deserve to win for the most part usually do. I've found it a bit patronising as if "plucky" North East teams do their best and should be given a special medal for their efforts. Maybe I'm just getting grumpy (or one of the other 6?) in my old age but it annoys me whenever I get into a conversation with people from other parts of the country and they start to tell me about how great our local fans are and should have more to show for it. Sometimes I think it's the solidarity from falling short that makes us more vocal. I've seen us lose fans when we start winning (true though ) Totally disagree with both points! The amount of Newcastle fans turning on trippier is embarrassing. I’m Newcastle through and through but we have some of the most fickle in the country
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Post by handifan on Dec 21, 2023 23:42:27 GMT
Totally disagree with both points! The amount of Newcastle fans turning on trippier is embarrassing. I’m Newcastle through and through but we have some of the most fickle in the country Don’t blame the Newcastle fans. There is always a vocal minority who make the most noise on social media and get most attention. Trippier is the best signing Newcastle have made for a very long time. Not just a great player but a great leader too. And this is coming from a mackem. The reason we are still a hotbed of football is quite simple. First of all, football is more important than religion in the region. That is a fact. Secondly, we consistently produce the very best world class players despite being a small run down neglected working class region of England….or perhaps because of.
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Post by kentrebel on Dec 22, 2023 0:28:46 GMT
The reason we are still a hotbed of football is quite simple. First of all, football is more important than religion in the region. That is a fact. Secondly, we consistently produce the very best world class players despite being a small run down neglected working class region of England….or perhaps because of. I think one of the reasons for the relative strength of the NL over other step 5 and 6 leagues is that people who grow up in the North East seem less likely to move far away from that particular town or city. I've moved around the UK a fair bit before moving to Weardale; most incomers I meet are from Sunderland/Newcastle etc. Down south many young people shift 50+ miles several times and have no real ties through history to a particular area. Up here however, there's a real pride in belonging to/ coming from/ living in Sunderland, Redcar, Jarrow etc and I think that part of that "solidarity" will for some be following the local team, playing for their pub, or getting their kid to join a club. It's just not like that so much elsewhere. Many more choose to move to work or because they fancy a change of scene, it probably won't be permanent so why put down roots? I know that this is a bit of rambling way of putting it but I think it's just down to lifestyle, not innate ability nor the quality of the football or even the delights of the NL clubhouses, just a different lifestyle. Then again I could just be talking complete bollox. Merry Yule to you all
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Dec 22, 2023 5:19:20 GMT
The amount of Newcastle fans turning on trippier is embarrassing. I’m Newcastle through and through but we have some of the most fickle in the country Don’t blame the Newcastle fans. There is always a vocal minority who make the most noise on social media and get most attention. Trippier is the best signing Newcastle have made for a very long time. Not just a great player but a great leader too. And this is coming from a mackem. The reason we are still a hotbed of football is quite simple. First of all, football is more important than religion in the region. That is a fact. Secondly, we consistently produce the very best world class players despite being a small run down neglected working class region of England….or perhaps because of. I blame the fans , yes they are in the minority I agree with that. But 5 mins after the final whistle on Tuesday so called fans the socials were calling for trips to be dropped and some saying the job was to big for Eddie Howe . Madness .
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Post by hoopy on Dec 23, 2023 10:19:49 GMT
football is more important than religion in the region. /quote] But that’s true everywhere. Look at any region in the country and you’ll find more people regularly attend football games than regularly attend church.
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Post by footyfollower on Dec 23, 2023 10:41:22 GMT
Blue Star signed a bunch of players from North Shields yesterday, some very good players amongst them
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Post by footy on Dec 23, 2023 12:10:43 GMT
No loyalty to teams in these leagues, seems it’s one big merry go round of managers and players who are attached to them and the ££
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Post by bigfoot on Dec 23, 2023 13:05:40 GMT
It must be a decent budget at bluestar Mr Nash does nothing for nothing did he not walk from North Shields when they cut the budget the first time at the end of last season
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Post by jt944 on Dec 26, 2023 22:16:08 GMT
No loyalty to teams in these leagues, seems it’s one big merry go round of managers and players who are attached to them and the ££ Could be one of the reasons why attendances are down. hard to get attached to the team when players and managers change constantly
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