tor
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Post by tor on Mar 17, 2024 11:26:38 GMT
It's a dilema for 'community clubs'. They have a lot going on there and the senior men's team is just part of the picture rather than taking priority. I am not sure quite what the answer is, I also thought it a souless place when visiting. The people there were very plesant and doing a great job but......it's not my kind of football ground. When I visited I asked a fellow supporter if this is the way forward for football in the Northern League. His response is not appropriate for a public forum.
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Post by pooliehopper on Mar 17, 2024 13:41:59 GMT
Let's be frank here most new grounds in the future will sadly look like this.
Kader will certainly be.
Wallsend Boys Club is.
Darlington Town probably will be.
Materials are expensive, labour is expensive. The days of teams like Billingham Synthonia, Crook Town and Shildon been able to construct giant stands are gone. Not to mention how NIMBY Britain is today.
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Post by windy1970 on Mar 17, 2024 15:12:42 GMT
Let's be frank here most new grounds in the future will sadly look like this. Kader will certainly be. Wallsend Boys Club is. Darlington Town probably will be. Materials are expensive, labour is expensive. The days of teams like Billingham Synthonia, Crook Town and Shildon been able to construct giant stands are gone. Not to mention how NIMBY Britain is today. A lot of established clubs have a long history and started as works teams. So if they were a minor’s welfare or a shipyard team, they may have a ground that has had a long time to develop. There maybe a clubhouse and other facilities that newer clubs could only dream about. Plus they may be in areas of a town or city where the locals can just nip down to watch them. Boro Rangers tried for years to buy land with planning permission for a ground and the local authority weren’t interested. So these multifunctional soulless sports complexes are the best we can expect these days.
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Post by england on Mar 18, 2024 9:39:12 GMT
Agree with most of what has been said, but I do know they are looking to grow and expand with plans for a clubhouse etc in place.
As has been mentioned it’s difficult to find new sites and then have the expense to build a new crook etc
Funding is great, but it really only allows you to tick the boxes for ground grading.
If you want a new clubhouse at £500k (rough estimate), then it’s way down the pecking order and almost impossible to fund.
Same as if you want a stand like crook or willington, then the funding just isn’t there. If you want 75% to get a flat pack stand then it’s so much easier.
When Stockton first popped up, it was very similar, pitch on school grounds, sharing facility with other teams, can’t warm up till they are finished etc, but look at them now.
Maybe worth seeing how they progress in the coming years.
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Post by sikirk on Mar 18, 2024 13:53:07 GMT
Agree with most of what has been said, but I do know they are looking to grow and expand with plans for a clubhouse etc in place. As has been mentioned it’s difficult to find new sites and then have the expense to build a new crook etc Funding is great, but it really only allows you to tick the boxes for ground grading. If you want a new clubhouse at £500k (rough estimate), then it’s way down the pecking order and almost impossible to fund. Same as if you want a stand like crook or willington, then the funding just isn’t there. If you want 75% to get a flat pack stand then it’s so much easier. When Stockton first popped up, it was very similar, pitch on school grounds, sharing facility with other teams, can’t warm up till they are finished etc, but look at them now. Maybe worth seeing how they progress in the coming years. As you say flat pack grounds serve a purpose but my main gripe would be no club house. Team northumbria had no club house and it made the match day experience a bit crap, not even anywhere to go at half time, before game etc. surely you can get a club house cheaper than 500k especially in a pre-fab building
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Post by england on Mar 18, 2024 14:02:03 GMT
Agree with most of what has been said, but I do know they are looking to grow and expand with plans for a clubhouse etc in place. As has been mentioned it’s difficult to find new sites and then have the expense to build a new crook etc Funding is great, but it really only allows you to tick the boxes for ground grading. If you want a new clubhouse at £500k (rough estimate), then it’s way down the pecking order and almost impossible to fund. Same as if you want a stand like crook or willington, then the funding just isn’t there. If you want 75% to get a flat pack stand then it’s so much easier. When Stockton first popped up, it was very similar, pitch on school grounds, sharing facility with other teams, can’t warm up till they are finished etc, but look at them now. Maybe worth seeing how they progress in the coming years. As you say flat pack grounds serve a purpose but my main gripe would be no club house. Team northumbria had no club house and it made the match day experience a bit crap, not even anywhere to go at half time, before game etc. surely you can get a club house cheaper than 500k especially in a pre-fab building I’m far from a builder and I’m sure you can get something cheaper, but then does it have the same attraction etc Team Northumbria used to allow people to go upstairs in their building where players had their food and you could buy an alcoholic drink. Nobody went up as it was pretty pointless effort.
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Post by sikirk on Mar 18, 2024 16:14:10 GMT
As you say flat pack grounds serve a purpose but my main gripe would be no club house. Team northumbria had no club house and it made the match day experience a bit crap, not even anywhere to go at half time, before game etc. surely you can get a club house cheaper than 500k especially in a pre-fab building I’m far from a builder and I’m sure you can get something cheaper, but then does it have the same attraction etc Team Northumbria used to allow people to go upstairs in their building where players had their food and you could buy an alcoholic drink. Nobody went up as it was pretty pointless effort. I only went to team northumbria once. Awful atmosphere as they seemed to have no fans, crowd was away fans, ground hoppers and neutrals. I dont recall any bar been upstairs, just toilets and vending machines in some leisure centre type building. Only stadium ive ever been too without w club house
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Post by jambon on Mar 18, 2024 16:54:55 GMT
I’m far from a builder and I’m sure you can get something cheaper, but then does it have the same attraction etc Team Northumbria used to allow people to go upstairs in their building where players had their food and you could buy an alcoholic drink. Nobody went up as it was pretty pointless effort. I only went to team northumbria once. Awful atmosphere as they seemed to have no fans, crowd was away fans, ground hoppers and neutrals. I dont recall any bar been upstairs, just toilets and vending machines in some leisure centre type building. Only stadium ive ever been too without w club house Was it pay to park aswell??
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Post by 2009vasewinner on Mar 18, 2024 16:57:22 GMT
I only went to team northumbria once. Awful atmosphere as they seemed to have no fans, crowd was away fans, ground hoppers and neutrals. I dont recall any bar been upstairs, just toilets and vending machines in some leisure centre type building. Only stadium ive ever been too without w club house Was it pay to park aswell?? yes in the car park
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Post by bigcbeat1 on Mar 18, 2024 17:22:28 GMT
Let's be frank here most new grounds in the future will sadly look like this. Kader will certainly be. Wallsend Boys Club is. Darlington Town probably will be. Materials are expensive, labour is expensive. The days of teams like Billingham Synthonia, Crook Town and Shildon been able to construct giant stands are gone. Not to mention how NIMBY Britain is today. They don’t have to be so barren tho. Penrith and Consett grounds look like football grounds . Cages ok for training just don’t like them in the pyramid. Just no atmosphere whatsoever. These hubs are just cash cows for the owners .
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Post by sikirk on Mar 18, 2024 18:35:11 GMT
I only went to team northumbria once. Awful atmosphere as they seemed to have no fans, crowd was away fans, ground hoppers and neutrals. I dont recall any bar been upstairs, just toilets and vending machines in some leisure centre type building. Only stadium ive ever been too without w club house Was it pay to park aswell?? Not sure as i got the metro there. So they charge for parking, seems a bit stingey at that level
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Post by england on Mar 18, 2024 18:35:39 GMT
I’m far from a builder and I’m sure you can get something cheaper, but then does it have the same attraction etc Team Northumbria used to allow people to go upstairs in their building where players had their food and you could buy an alcoholic drink. Nobody went up as it was pretty pointless effort. I only went to team northumbria once. Awful atmosphere as they seemed to have no fans, crowd was away fans, ground hoppers and neutrals. I dont recall any bar been upstairs, just toilets and vending machines in some leisure centre type building. Only stadium ive ever been too without w club house Yeah it was just a room in a leisure centre really, but that not different to any team who played at Nissan or Carlisle. Which is kind of part of the point I’m making, that if you scrimp and save you can meet ground grading, but it’s no appealing
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Post by sikirk on Mar 18, 2024 18:36:22 GMT
Let's be frank here most new grounds in the future will sadly look like this. Kader will certainly be. Wallsend Boys Club is. Darlington Town probably will be. Materials are expensive, labour is expensive. The days of teams like Billingham Synthonia, Crook Town and Shildon been able to construct giant stands are gone. Not to mention how NIMBY Britain is today. They don’t have to be so barren tho. Penrith and Consett grounds look like football grounds . Cages ok for training just don’t like them in the pyramid. Just no atmosphere whatsoever. These hubs are just cash cows for the owners . Yeah consetts ground has prefab stands but been in far worse modern stadiums. At least consett had a decent club house
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Post by rodentcatcher on Mar 18, 2024 19:16:53 GMT
Look no further than Bishops Heritage Park for a new ground that feels and looks like a proper ground. No pre fab or metal structures. Proper concrete terrace, expansive grassy bank with a good high view point and a concrete main stand complete with bar and concourse. .....oh and a turf pitch.
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Post by windy1970 on Mar 18, 2024 19:33:36 GMT
Look no further than Bishops Heritage Park for a new ground that feels and looks like a proper ground. No pre fab or metal structures. Proper concrete terrace, expansive grassy bank with a good high view point and a concrete main stand complete with bar and concourse. .....oh and a turf pitch. Is it as good as Kingsway was?
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